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CapTVK is offline CapTVK
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Well, the graphics seem to be saved. That's some good news.

However, in the sleague cache it says "showing threads 1 to 25 of 37" 25 are displayed but I can't seem to see the other 12?

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Never mind...got it now

http://apolyton.net/forums/cache.ph...29&pagenumber=2

Mercator is offline Mercator
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quote:
Originally posted by fairline
Arse.


Quite...

@MarkG:
Can both those posts in the cache and on the backups be restored? Nevermind how long it takes. I think that covers most of it... I think there will be a bit of a gap between 1 week and 4 weeks ago, though.

And what about the Hints, Tips & Guides subforum? Well, if everything older than 4 weeks is on a backup, there should be only one thread in trouble and I've got that one covered.


When those posts are restored, would that also restore the post counts? If not, I look through the memberlist regularly. I've saved the relevant pages from my cache, so I have a fairly recent (a matter of a few days ago) figure of the postcount of a bunch of affected members.

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@Mercator
You have my utmost admiration and appreciation for the lengths that you have gone to as moderator. Few, if any, would have put in the effort. Thank you.


On a lighter note in a very unfunny situation, I now have proof positive that someone does actually look out for drunks (see my previous post on this thread) and idiots (for asking dumb questions, see below). I just sent the following to the "ticket" office at Poly:

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Gentlemen,

Holy sh*t! I must be about the only member of the SL who can more or less prove what his lost stats should be. On 14-03-2005 I started the following thread in the CIVII General/Help forum using my own stats at the time:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=130724


“I am curious about the Post Stats numbers found in "profile" at the top of every post.

For example, what do "A: 18 | D: 9 | M: 4 | HP: 94" mean? They do look a bit like D&D player stats (IIRC, in this case, an pretty good medium level fighter).

A search of Apolyton failed to turn up any information………………….”

My HP went to 99 a few days later (A = 19?). Within the last week, after five weeks of posting, I think I saw that my HP = 2. I assume that should give me an A = 20. I don’t give a hoot about D and M, which are derived values, but my HP should probably be around 10.

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Mercator, if you have my numbers, please let me know if I have been smoking a controlled sustance to excess.

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Well, if anything, my home computer has 500MB of Civ2 data on it. Hopefully this about covers a portion of it all.....

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@Mercator
You have my utmost admiration and appreciation for the lengths that you have gone to as moderator. Few, if any, would have put in the effort. Thank you.


Thanks... But what have I done?


And those stats aren't what they're interested in. Those are all calculated from your post count and other forum statistics unrelated to this incident.
Then again, since MarkG knows the formula, I assume he could use those stats to calculate what your post count was at the time of that post.

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Mercator, if you have my numbers, please let me know if I have been smoking a controlled sustance to excess.


Well, I don't have your numbers. Does that mean I shouldn't let you know if you've been smoking to excess?

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I stand by my statement. What you did was

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I've saved the relevant pages from my cache, so I have a fairly recent (a matter of a few days ago) figure of the postcount of a bunch of affected members.


I rather doubt if that is included in a moderator's job description.


quote:
And those stats aren't what they're interested in. Those are all calculated from your post count and other forum statistics unrelated to this incident.
Then again, since MarkG knows the formula, I assume he could use those stats to calculate what your post count was at the time of that post.



I was assuming that with a known formula for converting posts to HP and A values and the explanation to my question

quote:
Originally posted by conmcb25
These are dependent on your post count. A (attack) is based on how many posts you have. D (defense) is based on what your average posts-per-day is. M (movement) is based on the proportion of how long you have been registered to your post count. HP (hit points) shows how long it's till next A increase. When HP goes to 99, next increase, A increases by 1, and HP drops to 0.


there would be no difficulty in establishing my post count with more than adequate accuracy.

Meanwhile, it's back to liquid courage to control my DT's and other forum withdrawal symptoms.

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Originally posted by AGRICOLA
I rather doubt if that is included in a moderator's job description.


Ah, but I have to disappoint you in saying that that were just 5 pages. 3 pages from the memberlist, and 2 member profiles. I think only a handful of affected people would benefit from that.

Besides, I saved those pages in the capacity of a member of the SLeague, not as a moderator of the SLeague.

quote:
I was assuming that with a known formula for converting posts to HP and A values and the explanation to my question (...) there would be no difficulty in establishing my post count with more than adequate accuracy.


Aha

DrSpike is offline DrSpike
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The main forum was accidentally deleted and we are assessing our backups.


Not trying to be awkward, but how can you accidentally delete an entire forum?

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@Mercator, Moderateur Superieur

Alright, you win. I know when I'm beaten.

I reluctantly and regretfully retract my intemperate statement.

You have shattered my belief in le Grand Moderateur Extraordinaire and badly shaken my faith in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and Perpetual Motion.


Nevertheless, I can bear no ill will towards a man whose heart is so obviously in the right place

quote:
Besides, I saved those pages in the capacity of a member of the SLeague, not as a moderator of the SLeague.


So, I still say:

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Well, thanks then.

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Not trying to be awkward, but how can you accidentally delete an entire forum?


Tis an interesting question.

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Not trying to be awkward, but how can you accidentally delete an entire forum?


Accidents happen.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...746#post3735746

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Edit: I just read Mark G's post, and have sent a message via the ticket system asking for my 400 posts back

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When the old threads are restored, is it going to be possible to resurrect the old forum section id number rather than append to the new forumid=248? If not then won't all the links will be redundant, unless you could help with that?

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This is a bit of an academic exercise on my part to try to figure out some of the apparent discrepancies in the number of lost posts (i.e. I was bored last night). There is a possibility that what follows is pure BS, thought up by a SF deprived mind, so please do not take a hypothesis as gospel truth.


1. This exercise was started by the following e-mail from Apolyton in response to my e-mail to the “ticket” office.

quote:
……………In essence, as backups are put in place your post count will rise but it will not return to its exact former level. At the same, follow-up with us on this -- you can just send a quick reply to this particular trouble ticket.

Thank you for your continued patience.

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Aside from wondering about the meaning? of the second sentence, I concluded that we will get get credit only for posts that can be recovered.

2. Although no one at Poly has said this, it seems logical that the post counting algorithm must be able to keep track of posts that exist at the present and posts which existed a few years ago but have now been removed. For simplicity, let’s call these “live” and “dead” posts, respectively. Members’ post counts consist of the sum of their live and their dead posts (if any).

3. The dead posts were in threads that have been removed from Poly in order to keep the site to a manageable size. The removal process appears to be selective, so that there are a few live threads that date back to 2000. However, I would guesstimate that the majority of live threads are not much older than two years.

It is immaterial whether the removed threads are cached somewhere or deleted. When threads are removed, a member’s posts in the removed threads must be counted and added to his existing count of dead posts.

Posts which cannot be recovered after the accidental deletion of the SL forum fall within neither the dead nor the live category. As far as the algorithm is concerned, these lost posts are neither dead (they did not exist 2 or more years ago), nor are they live (they do not exist now). This may explain why

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as backups are put in place your post count will rise but it will not return to its exact former level


3. If my reasoning is correct, no one has lost more posts than they have accumulated by posting in the SL forum since the most recent removal of threads. This would account for why SL veterans did not lose thousands of posts when the forum went down and why some have kept their their rank while others have been demoted. For example, if their dead post count plus live posts on forums other than SL warrants King, they have stayed at that rank. If, however they have gained King rank in the last years mainly through posting on SL, they have suffered a temporary demotion.

4. The bottom line appears to be that any SL posts after the date to which the forum can be restored are not going to be credited unless the powers that be are prepared to alter members’ dead post counts.

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