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tommynt is offline tommynt
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Mesomamerica PBEM Got spare money?

I d like to start off a PBEm with 2 other experianced players who can play their turn every day at least (sure there can be weekend breakes or so).

I d like to do this Mesoamerica scenario with 3 civs, quite even starts for all (or not? played it only once in SP long time ago)

Forgot how the map looked like so if u also dont know this scen too well we could have some surprising fun.

PLs post if u wana play i d like to start off asap

not sure if contacts should be allowed or not - open for any suggestions

so lets have war ^^

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The Inca, I would like to play the Inca.

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OK lets get it on - I tryed to start it off - but I d like to be aztek - as I m Maya in another PBM starting off atm too - I d like to try diff civs

So Grandpa if u OK with Maya pls start it off

and send it to Modo (Incs)

I couldnt do any settings like difficulty or so - so lets get it on as it is - pls include the Computers to have some fun with dem.

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I can edit the scenario to change the playing order - that is done very easy. Tell me, and I will.

The difficulty can be set as well. You need to select it before loading the scenario in the PBEM Setup screen. The game then says something weird, but it remembers your choice correctly.

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thx for your help Modo - I dont care if Grandpa get it of - or u just change play order and get it off.

If u really can do easily - pls just do so - thank you very much -

I just wana try different civs and therefor not being maya gain - just played the 1. turn with maya - I like the start very much - but wana see the start of another civ too

I think a easy difficulty level ll increase fun - dont like it so much to be stuck with a 40t research for 1 science - at least in a MP game - so the default setting could be OK - but if u wana increase it by 1 level thats ok for me as well - I can wait 6 turns for Pott instead of 4

I really think this could be a gg as u 2 respond really fast and I wont screw my 2nd PBM as well.

Just tryiung to start of a AU, LA5 3 out of 6 guys never responded to anything - dont think that i ll get my save more often as once a week - game will take 3 years or so - so how shall a 3 year game work???

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I have the scenario file modified, so that the Aztecs are the first. Not having your e-mail, I am posting it here. Now you can start the game. Choose whatever difficulty level you prefer.

My e-mail is:
Andrzej TOD Sawicki TA gmail TOD com


As to games being slow... well, some just are. Playing in jsut over 20 PBEMs, I get more than one save each day, which is good enough. IF you play in few games, you will be waiting for saves - naturally. Scenario-based ones seem to go a bit quicker than epic games.

EDIT: The right file now.

Attachment: 5 mp mesoamerica (mod).zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

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ups, looks like u did send me a diff version of senkuko not mesoamerica - didnt we want to do mesoamewrica??

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Sorry, my bad. Did that one for another game.

The new attachment should be the right scenario.

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started game - played and sent

my e-mail (for grandpa): civ3_tommynt@web.de

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Got it. Played and sent.

300 AD to Grandpa Troll. (named: Mesoamerica, to Grandpa Troll, 300 AD.sav)

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Got it. Played and sent.

300 AD to Grandpa Troll. (named: Mesoamerica, to Grandpa Troll, 300 AD.sav)


at work right now will play tonight when I get home

Gramps and thanks modo


any sorta special rules I should be aware of?

Thanks

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Ya, do we allow contacts?

Only with Computers or also with each other?

That d be the only special rule I can imagine.

I d be intersted how bargaining with u guys work -
whats the default for contacts in PBMs?

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Ya, do we allow contacts?

Only with Computers or also with each other?

Contacts with each other as in the game. Once we meet, we can use e-mails to talk about deals and stuff. Before that, each to his own.

Would you like to limit contacts with the AI somehow? I imagine they will be pushovers, as in most PBEMs...

There is one special thing in this scenario. Do not clear the Jungle. It works as Grassland for most purposes, so just build upon it. It is actually the best land you can get.

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Grandpa dont believe this jungle story - get this stupid jungle down - irigate it and and never switch government!!!
Modo wana screw u

I d allow contact with Computers - if not they ll attck in the beginning - dont like that so much

But if there is any good reason not to allow contact with dem - i ll believe you

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Grandpa dont believe this jungle story - get this stupid jungle down - irigate it and and never switch government!!!
Modo wana screw u

huh?

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I d allow contact with Computers - if not they ll attck in the beginning - dont like that so much

But if there is any good reason not to allow contact with dem - i ll believe you

They are extremely easy to get into an Alliance. So two players could be turning the AI against each other every turn, which is no fun. If you just disallow alliances with the AI, everything should be fine.

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was just jokin - its quite obvious - when u click on jungle u see it gets u 2 food and a shield - not that bad

so no alliances with Computer but making peace and war and trading techs?
and dont tell dem to attack some1 else?!

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and dont tell dem to attack some1 else?!

Yes, that is the "no Alliance" part.

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so help me out since I am still learning..if an ai demands a trade and I agree and we get along..and they say "attack" someone this would be a violation?

If so then I tell them NO and they declare war on me and then they have an alliance so now I have to fight two instead of supporting with a few units attacking an ai?

It seems messed up that even though I am not a full fledged ally, I cant make deals for self preservation!



Just asking

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so help me out since I am still learning..if an ai demands a trade and I agree and we get along..and they say "attack" someone this would be a violation?

The AI never demands that you attack someone. They might propose an alliance, but that can be turned down safely.

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If so then I tell them NO and they declare war on me and then they have an alliance so now I have to fight two instead of supporting with a few units attacking an ai?

They might come demanding things (like cash, or luxuries, or technology), in which case you do whatever you choose (tell them to beat it or pay).

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It seems messed up that even though I am not a full fledged ally, I cant make deals for self preservation!

If you are actively trading with the AI, the chances of them declaring war on you are smaller. But, unlike the alliance thing, this is no game breaker, so I se no reason to forbid it.

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Thanks

I am glad to know they wont demand I attack someone

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need yer email tommynt

mine is BCRONKITE-the sign we all need-ec-dot-rr-dot-com
thanks

will play a little later the turns

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To be precise, Jungle in this conquest = grassland + shield, except terraforming costs are 3X as high in Jungle than gra

Irrigation isn't advaible until Terrace Farming in this conquest.

The Incan & Mayan players should note that the Amazon is both impassible and 0/0/0, but barb camps can still form. This means the only way to get rid of the camp entirely is to have a citys culture expand into it. Athough barbs can be enslaved and sacificed. Presumably the amazon within a civs cultural boundary does count as land area towards the domination victory condition.

I'd have been willing to play this at a much slower turn rate.

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In this conquest, the 3 AIs have much weaker starting conditions than the humans.

It will be quite a while before any of the weaker civs would declare war on you for not granting them a tech or cash. But even if they do declare war on you, you should be able to wipe out the offending civ and sacrifice their workers easily.


I'd actually place my money on the first war involving an AI being caused by a human.

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I am glad to know they wont demand I attack someone

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my e-mail is civ3_tommynt@ web.de

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did post it alil up allready

Grandpa dont worry of AI - i ll wipe dem out fast ^^
my worieors need some experience when they aproach your land

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310 b c sent my friend

away we go

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On to Grandpa Troll.

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