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@rmsharpe:

This map is in ToT format.

I will make those ownership changes in time, worry not.

PS
I used your excellent USA map that you posted a while back!
I am interested in your opinions on the placement of US cities...

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The latest map save file with updated cities!

(it's in ToT format)

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Perhaps you could drop a city or two in the middle east?


Medina or Mosul could go, in a pinch.

Have you a city you wish to add?

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As I asked on the prev page, are there a no cd patch out there for TOT?

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Check out the link on this page - And don't tell them I sent ya...


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Brilliant! It works!

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I undertand the problems with using this small map, but many cities in Europe, where I took the first glance, is missplaced.

Praha should be at 129,51
Warszawa should be at 134,48
Budapest at 134,56
Hamburg at 126, 46
Bremen isn't coastal. Should be Wilhelmshaven.
Maybe you could have Brest in France?
Gibraltar is on the wrong side of the water
Maybe you could add Tunis?
Ljubliana isn't coastal. That would be Trieste.
Maybe you could add a rive to Suez as you've done to Panam? Looks really good with those river mouths.

Case would know this better than me, but wasn't Broome hardly a village back then?

As I've said already, personally I'd like to see some Pacific cities to encourage some island hopping.

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Kobra, I have fixed the Gibraltar placement, as of the map I posted on '20-04-2005 08:45'

I will proceed to review and change the European sections.

It is impossible to add a river to Suez now, you will just have to imagine it!

The problem is with the Pacific cities, that the AI is clueless in dealing with them.

But make some suggested co-ordinates and I will see what I can do!

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Originally posted by curtsibling It is impossible to add a river to Suez now, you will just have to imagine it!


Actually, it's not. If you open this sav in Civ2Map, add the extra river, save the map and then use mapcopy to copy this new map to the sav, it would work.

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Originally posted by curtsibling But make some suggested co-ordinates and I will see what I can do!


I already did, on the prev page.

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Originally posted by CurtsiblingIt is impossible to add a river to Suez now, you will just have to imagine it!


Oh, ye of little faith. Rivers can be added anywhere and anytime by a combination of arcane magic and hexediting.

I do the magic. My acolyte does the hexediting.

Post the map or mail it and it will receive immediate attention.

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And it's possible with just arcane magic too:

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Source: Advanced Scenario Design by Leon Marrick
Adding rivers after you start designing your scenario

It has long been thought that rivers could only be created in the map editor. Now, thanks to LeMay and Harlan Thompson, this is revealed not to be the case. To create rivers:

1. Open up the rules.txt file and change the base time for engineers to transform terrain in the cosmic principles section to zero (0). Also in the rules.txt file, temporarily change the terrain that all the terrains you plan to alter are transformed into to "no". After you have finished making rivers, change them back.
2. Create three (or more on other terrain types. For example, mountains take eight) engineers on each of the squares you want rivers to appear. Lastly, create any unit of that civilization off to one side (see next step for why).
3. Select the unit off to one side, and give it any order. This "initializes" the method, and tells the program that all future sets of engineers will be making funky terrain. Without using the mouse, issue the "o" (transform) command to engineers on the squares you want rivers to appear on as they start blinking in turn. As the third engineer on a desert, plains, or grassland square (or more on any other terrain) receives the transform command, the terrain will turn into a odd river/coal/desert combination.
4. To restore the proper terrain type, simply use the cheat menu to alter terrain. All the funny-looking graphics will disappear, but the river will remain.

*NOTE: For a happy moment, I thought that this method could be exploited to create resource squares in any location I wanted. Sadly, my hopes were dashed (by various limitations and mismatched or missing graphics).

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Before I fire my hexediting acolyte, does this process work on an existing city square or does one have to raze the city, do the magic and then rebuild the city?

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4. To restore the proper terrain type, simply use the cheat menu to alter terrain. All the funny-looking graphics will disappear, but the river will remain.


AFAIK, the cheat menu command to alter terrain does not work on an existing city square.

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Hmmm yes, I didn't quite realise it was a city square we were talking about...

I guess that wouldn't work then, if deleting and rebuilding the city is not an option anyway.

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@Kobra:

Sadly, the ToT format save files do not load in the map editor!

I also am wondering about your choices on moving Warsaw and Prague...
On my giant Euro map, a straight line can be traced East from Berlin to the Polish capital.
Also, a similar line North from Vienna to Prague.

The tight squeeze for city placing (even on a giga-map) forced me to
use the current squares for these cities, or as close to it as I could.

You are right about Hamburg, and I may merely delete Bremen,
and move Hamburg west a square a you suggest, I can use
Hamburg to represent the German naval power,
as it was a very important city for that reason.

Here is the latest save if anyone wishes to try and
add that river to the Suez co-ords (143,77)...

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I also am wondering about your choices on moving Warsaw and Prague...
On my giant Euro map, a straight line can be traced East from Berlin to the Polish capital.
Also, a similar line North from Vienna to Prague.


Of course you do as you self wish, but trust me on this one. The cities are not on a straight line. The coordinates I gave you is as close as you can get.

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Of course you do as you self wish, but trust me on this one. The cities are not on a straight line. The coordinates I gave you is as close as you can get.


Dude, let me say that I highly value you recommendations!



And my mistake about Vienna/Prague, I had Wroclaw in mind!

So in regards to Prague, I will make that tweak!

But as for Berlin/Warsaw, take a look!

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Kobra, I am also thinking 130,50 might be a premium place for Prague?

It fits with the fact that Prage is a little bit East of Berin and Vienna is a little bit East again...

I enclose a screenie of the proposed city replacement...

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The Suez River hath turned the once dusty hamlet of Suez into a tropical paradise.

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@Kobra:

Sadly, the ToT format save files do not load in the map editor!


I'm not sure if this has been sorted now, but the "Coal/River" method does work if a city is on top of the square you want to add a river to, it just requires one or two more steps...

Follow steps 1 thru 3 as normal.

Alternate step 4: Use another engineer to irrigate the coal square, it should turn immediately into desert.

Alt Step 5: Edit rules.txt or use the FW editor to temporarily make desert squares change into grassland or whatever terrain you want when irrigated (or transformed, whatever floats your boat), and change the time required to do this to "1"

Alt Step 6: Apply rules to game, create an settler/engineer in the city, use him to irrigate/transform the desert terrain into the one you want. Remove the temporary changes you made to rules/.txt


EDIT: Ah, too late, Agricola's sorted it. But this method is still valid in future...

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The Suez River hath turned the once dusty hamlet of Suez into a tropical paradise.


Oops!

That file I posted is out of date...

Would you be able to work your mystic magic on this one too, old chap!

I am sorry to be a pain in the hex!

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Did you perchance forget to attach the map that you want edited?

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Ooops!

It's been a busy morning at Uni!

My mistake! Here ya are!

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Glad you do. Let me just say that I'm not trying to teach you cartography , just do my part in helping out.

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Originally posted by curtsibling And my mistake about Vienna/Prague, I had Wroclaw in mind!

So in regards to Prague, I will make that tweak![/SIZE]


Ther reason I chose 129,51, was to make it consistant with Leipzig, which also btw is too far to the left. But then again, this Euro map is really small, so it's hard to find the absolute coordinates. I understand

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But as for Berlin/Warsaw, take a look!


Can't argue with that, but it surely isn't in coherence with my maps of Europe. I'm reading from an atlas from Dorling Kendersley, and it shows Warsaw just as much to the south of Berlin, if you draw out a leveled line from Berlin, as Wien is to the right from a line plumbed from Berlin. Not trying to do it into a bigger deal than it really is, just saying that we read from different Euro maps

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Indeed, old chap!

I reckon some maps take the curvature of the planet into account and some don't.

And true, the limited tile allocation is a real pain to work with.

I ahve now moved Prague and added your other suggestions, and things look good.
I am also left with a bonus city from removing Bremen.

I wonder where in Europe to add it - I was considering brest...
But I want to keep North France clear for the D-Day events...

And Brest always gets flattened. might still add it, though.

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Here's Suez, the garden spot of the Sinai.


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And Brest always gets flattened



Freudian slip or bad pun?

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Here's Suez, the garden spot of the Sinai.


Many thanks!
It will be a prime holiday destination for the Afrika Korps too!



quote:
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Freudian slip or bad pun?


All those rugged GIs flattening Brest...

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Well Curt the map looks great as always. I'm curious however, what is the reason for the Commonwealth being represented by two different civ's? Is it meant to represent the international status Canada. South Africa and Australia had developed as they're own nations? Forgive me if these questions have already been asked.

Also, now that there is a Dictator ToT moving ahead in development, does this mean we can expect a Vendetta ToT along with a Soviet Steel ToT in the future?

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Hi, Sarsstock!

Yep, I wanted a civ that represented the potent power of Canada, Australia, etc, and to avoid a vastly overpowering Brit civ.

I was going to make China a civ, but that would be a short-lived game experience!

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Yep, in time there will be a ToT Vendetta, Soviet steel and another, secret modern day scenario!

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The replacement spot looks good, Curt.

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Nice!

I was happy with the US cities, plenty of industry potential,
to keep those endless waves of GIs and B17s rolling out!

 
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