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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
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Not all suburbs are "concentrations of wealth". Heck, many of the exburbs exits cause of the very cheap housing. |
I never said all of them are. See, for instance, some parts of Prince George's County here in the Washington area. But if you look at the acute poverty of some inner cities, your view of the entire US may easily become warped. Consider that the nice parts of DC are about 2/3rds of the city, and that the Washington suburbs dwarf DC in size by about 10:1.
As you say, the exurbs exist partly for cheap living. Money goes a long way in these areas -- much longer than in any part of the EU-15 with which I am familiar. You can live like a king on a downright modest paycheck. Lower middle class, a 2,000 ft^2 house and a couple acres of land. They're not really familiar with this type of living in Europe (they might not even prefer it, but to each his own).
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
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Well, you can live like a king in Latin America with 20,000. I have an uncle who makes about 100,000 (successful doctor), and he has about 4 properties (a beach house, an apartment in the City, a house in the hills, and a 8 room, 4 bathroom giant house where he lives with his family). In fact, someone middle class in Panama hcan get a lot. You don;t see many homeless either in Panama, but it sure isn't due to a lack of poverty, when 40% of the country is poor.
Besides, there is the idea of what is "living like a king". Lots of space is an American idea of living like a King, but how often do those people travel worldwide, or even within the US for example?
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:36
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Low cost of living is fine, but the question is how much are you making anyways. Someone with a small space in Manhattan making 75,000k a year on Wall Street is still probabably better off than someone with a cheap but roomy house making 35,000k outside of Phoenix. Especially if some sort of medical emergency comes up. |
You're out of touch, dude. You can raise a family in Phoenix on $35k. My sister raises 6 kids on roughly that amount in Ohio, including parochial school tuition. Try that in Manhattan on $75k.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:36
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Originally posted by DanS
Yeh, but they're probably eating gruel and living lifestyles similar to the Amish.  |
assuming they are well along in child bearing, and not just having their first kid and then moving to modern O neighborhoods in the outer boroughs or suburbs (and thus have 4 to 6 kids, not one or two) AND that the head of household doesnt have a good job as an accountant or techie on Wall Street, and so earn rather more than 75k, then they are probably living with rather less space per person then middle class Americans consider standard. Like 2 kids sharing a bedroom routinely, so a family of 6 (2 parent and 4 kids) can fit into a Washington Heights 3 bedroom apartment - (and dont expect to have time for a leisurely shower every day, either, since everyone maybe sharing one bathroom). IIUC the Modern Orthodox community in Washington Heights is largley compose of young families whose adults met and married farther down the upper West Side, and who headed to WH for CHEAPER apartments. Note also that Orthodox, modern and otherwise, have been moving to the suburbs of NYC in considerable numbers - modern O to Nassau County, IIUC, and hasidim to Monsey, in Rockland, Monroe in Orange, and BEYOND.
Note also that total family size does not equal household size. My sister in law has 8 kids, but by the time number 8 came along, 2 were married, and 2 others were away at "boarding school" (if i dare use such words for an ultra O yeshiva).
Note also when I lived in Baltimore one often heard of Orthodox families whod moved from NYC, taking lower incomes to avoid the high cost of housing in NYC. Baltimore, with a large O community, was a much easier place for them to fit in then Phoenix.
Here in Greater Washington, Orthodox Jews, traditionally residing in Kemp Mill in Silver Spring, and in Wheaton, have been moving up toward Olney, again for cheaper housing.
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