18-07-2005 16:33									#31
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: [13:32] ormuzd: would the Horde attack you if they didn't have the information? [13:32] Aqua: who knows? [13:32] ormuzd: I think their troops stayed there for more than one turn [13:32] Aqua: but they may have attacked us with it [13:32] ormuzd: giving you time to destroy babyloninas [13:32] Aqua: you took the screenie last turn [13:33] ormuzd: while your troops were exactly where the Horde expected to be [13:33] ormuzd: man, you have agreed for that cease fire [13:33] ormuzd: giving you time to crush their punny force [13:33] Aqua: perhaps the horde were planning to attack after our troops were dealing with babylon, and asked you for the screenie to check the strenght of antioch [13:33] ormuzd: I can't call this a military [13:33] ormuzd: they would attack you on the turn they have read you have actuall fought [13:34] ormuzd: please, there is no reason to continue this [13:34] ormuzd: as I told you - having a time frame to give this information [13:34] Aqua: I don't get what you're saying [13:34] ormuzd: we found it the most perfect time [13:34] ormuzd: this information was not of use for us [13:35] ormuzd: I'm sorry, I'll talk with krill [13:35] Aqua: yes, while our troops were away....at least some of them....you gave the horde plans of antioch and they could have attacked if they felt it was in tehir interests to do so [13:35] ormuzd: he should be able to explain it so that you would understand [13:35] Aqua: so you gave it to the horde it seems [13:35] ormuzd: but they knew your troops are away [13:35] Aqua: perhaps as part of your peace deal with them [13:35] ormuzd: with another stack outside your city [13:35] Aqua: right [13:36] ormuzd: why would you keep troops outside Antioch while you expect an attack? [13:36] Aqua: who said anythnig about troops outside antioch? [13:36] ormuzd: once again - neither "yes", nor "not" to your trying to guess {"[13:35] >> so you gave it to the horde it seems") [13:37] ormuzd: on the tile SW of Antioch [13:37] ormuzd: being on hills they can be seen from two tiles distance [13:37] Aqua: ah yes, THOSE troops [13:37] ormuzd: yes, those troops [13:37] ormuzd: stop over reacting [13:37] Aqua: they were dealing with barbs [13:37] Aqua: gotta be careful of barbs [13:37] ormuzd: I know you would be upset when you learn about this [13:38] ormuzd: what I didn't know is there are people who make such a miserable "favour" for our team [13:38] Aqua: yes, well I am [13:39] Aqua: unless you can tell me how it is that there was no risk to us [13:39] ormuzd: so, our "partners" have the information [13:39] ormuzd: and they are free todo with it whtever they like [13:39] ormuzd: we are free of our promise [13:39] ormuzd: you just don't want to understand [13:39] Aqua: why would you make such a promise against us? [13:39] Aqua: unless you were not our friend? [13:39] ormuzd: or is it my inability to speak English [13:40] ormuzd: but there is some problem obviously [13:40] Aqua: no, it's your unwillingness to tell me the answer [13:40] ormuzd: I have lost more than a hour [13:40] Aqua: sorry [13:40] Aqua: I must go too [13:40] ormuzd: skipped lunch, without breakfast [13:40] Aqua: ouch [13:40] ormuzd: heave headaches [13:40] Aqua: you shouldn't drink so much then [13:40] Aqua: lol [13:40] ormuzd: and at the end we are on the starting position [13:40] Aqua: well you could have answered it simply [13:41] Aqua: anyway, I must go now [13:41] Aqua: talk to Krill [13:41] ormuzd: ok, have a nice evening [13:41] Aqua: thanks [13:41] ormuzd: at least better than my day hre

	18-07-2005 20:42									#32
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Aqua says: good evening/afternoon Krill says: Can you give me five minutes Aqua? Krill says: I need to go water some tomatoe plants... Aqua says: ok Aqua says: I never watered tomato plants when I was 17 Krill says: favour for a neighbour Krill says: So, what is it that you want to talk about? Or should I already know? Aqua says: you should Aqua says: if you have spoken to ormuzd Krill says: So, you want to know why? Aqua says: indeed Aqua says: ormuzd felt that your command of english would be able to explain it better to me Krill says: my command of English sucks and you know it. Aqua says: lol Aqua says: that'll teach you for skipping english classes Aqua says: so.....why? Krill says: From what I can tell, Euphorica asked us to take a screenshot of Antioch. Aqua says: indeed Krill says: and that is who we sent it to. Aqua says: despite knowing full well that this information could have been catastrophic for us if it fell into horde hands, which was quite likely Krill says: And? It was not something I wanted to do in any case Krill says: I would have prefered to fake it Aqua says: but you did it all the same Aqua says: nevertheless, it could have cost us Antioch, as the horde were able to judge our defensive strength with their army within reach Krill says: Excuse me, we never gave it to the horde, Krill says: and we had a no trade clause with that. Aqua says: then why would Euphorica want it? Krill says: *shrugs* especially when we charged them extra Aqua says: lol Aqua says: well in any case, to demonstrate our statesmanship we have accepted your Lit offer, and I have sent back Mono accepted as you negotiated with Moonbards Krill says: thank you Krill says: when our trade networks are joined, you can have the lux, or you can delay it. Aqua says: although I must admit there were factions within the DR that suggested that the Antioch screenie affair was sufficient for a war declaration, and perhaps showed you as a silent partner in the TNA Aqua says: but your refusal to trade our Currency around the world leant heavily in your favour Aqua says: for it showed honour, and I am going out on a limb to continue trading with you now.....I trust that Monotheism shall be retained in the same way as Currency? Krill says: yep Aqua says: thank you Aqua says: you shall move straight onto Theology and provide it as agreed? Krill says: yes, providing the Monarchy for republic deal is still on? Aqua says: that's Moonbars' deal, and it doesn't bother me frankly.....though I can see why you would want Republic eventually, being religious Aqua says: of course, we only want Monarchy so we can build the Oracle Aqua says: sorry, Gardens Krill says: Oracle? Don't you mean Hanging Gardens? Aqua says: Aqua says: shows you how often I build either of those wonders Krill says: HG can be useful in OCC Aqua says: right Krill says: as can MoM Krill says: and Shakespeares Aqua says: well that's a thought......perhaps we'll abandon all cities except our capital Krill says: nah, it is best if the capital is on the coast, for the collosus Aqua says: anyway, with this latest deal I can finally start to see a way for some of us to pull ahead in techs Aqua says: as I said to you guys before, the only way to move ahead is to establish a small cartel of tech leaders Krill says: and then the other side joins to become a small cartel as well... Krill says: 3 v 3 Aqua says: if things go to plan it shall be too late for them, whoever they are Aqua says: I know you Krill, and you know me.....we are MM'ers to the bone and will outstrip most other teams in research - together we will pull ahead, if we can come to an understanding in this Aqua says: and you will benefit from our cheap libraries Aqua says: so please, no more selling secrets to our enemies.....we are over our biggest danger period and you will see us start to expand soon Aqua says: we can keep the horde off your back - Babylon is your biggest threat Krill says: they will die soon enough. ET and Klo I can handle Aqua says: they, being the Horde? Krill says: Babs. Aqua says: ah yes Aqua says: perhaps Aqua says: the Horde have certainly got it in for them Krill says: Never trust Beta. He can really get an entire forum to hate one particular team. Aqua says: indeed Aqua says: and he is very close to the Euphoricans Aqua says: Rhoth, Snoopy, et al Krill says: those who are about to die a painfully swift death... Aqua says: he he Aqua says: will you be involved in their downfall? Krill says: Sorry, I'm going to have to go in 5 minutes, and setup my old Playstation for my sister... Krill says: Euphoricas downfall? Aqua says: ok Aqua says: either Krill says: no, Aqua says: Babs Krill says: even if we sent what troops we had, Euphorica would be dead by the time we got there... Aqua says: you are assuming we will attack them Krill says: Babs meh, plans are in the works. Krill says: No, I was expecting BOH too attack them, Aqua says: then do us a favour and inform us of any suspicious Bab troop movements for the time being Krill says: Though I think you would like the chance to show how a real invasion works... Krill says: Sure, no problem Aqua says: thanks Aqua says: good talking to you Aqua says: glad we have somewhat of an understanding then Krill says: yes, good talking to you. Krill says: cya

	31-07-2005 21:41									#33
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Aqua says: good evening Krill says: Good evening Aqua Krill says: Is there anyhting you wish to talk about right now Aqua? Aqua says: indeed Aqua says: our trade deal.....that last time there was a general chat, was failing fast Krill says: From my PoV, it seems to have failed. Krill says: I stand by what I said last time though Aqua says: which was? Krill says: You will recieve theology when we finish it Aqua says: that's it then? Aqua says: so you are currently researching Theology, correct? Krill says: no, we aren't Aqua says: oh Aqua says: I thought that was the point of us giving you Mono Krill says: What I said last time was that we either did the monarchy republic trade last turn, and we would go full bore on theo (and get it soon as we are about to get into a GA) Krill says: or we finsih republic our selves and you get theo some point in the future, when we finish it Aqua says: I see Aqua says: and Engineering? Krill says: Well, as you might well know, I offered to buy engineering at a price that offset and differences in tech ponts. Krill says: But Moonbars said, effectively, STFU Krill says: to me and Ormuzd, Krill says: and then left the chat Krill says: IIRC I sent you the chat log Aqua says: FU I understand, but not ST Krill says: Shut the Krill says: F up Aqua says: ah yes Aqua says: sorry Aqua says: excitable chap, Moonbars Krill says: It spreads to other people as well Aqua says: oh, as in? Krill says: me Aqua says: ah Aqua says: then I had better be careful Krill says: Well, I have coled off since then, but it seems Moonbars has not. Krill says: cooled Aqua says: perhaps Aqua says: he may also be upset about other matters Aqua says: but why would you research republic when you wish to switch to Monarchy? Krill says: Republic is the end goal Aqua says: indeed Krill says: Fuedalism is just a step in that direction and a gov that does not have the tile penality Aqua says: and surely we can work out a trade deal at some point Krill says: Well, the monarchy + Lux for Republic deal was a part of the larger mono theo deal Krill says: the gov exchange was supposed to take place when one of the teams wanted it to take place Krill says: And I requested that the gov exchangetake place last turn. Aqua says: I see Krill says: and now you are asking me to rescedule? Aqua says: reschedule what? Krill says: the gov trade Aqua says: we need to discuss internally....there is disagreement in our camp over the value of Monarchy Aqua says: but I'm willing to trade Republic for something Krill says: like what? Aqua says: well that's that problem isn't it.....you don't have anything except Monarchy Krill says: We have an economy Aqua says: meaning? Krill says: well, put a price on republic, in gold Krill says: Aqua? Aqua says: sorry, was away Krill says: np Aqua says: gold? Aqua says: hmmm.... Aqua says: 560 Krill says: it would cost us less than that to finish researching it Aqua says: I guess Aqua says: but youcould start on Theology straight away Krill says: but why should I accept this deal when you already offered a rep for monarchy and lux trade earlier? It seems to me that you are trying to change the deal. Krill says: So no, Krill says: we would not buy republic off you for 560 gold Aqua says: no, I wouldn't either Krill says: either stick to the original deal, or p[ropose one that is about equal. Aqua says: how long till we have a road between us for a luxury trade? Krill says: Well. Krill says: I would say, if you connected your road network to Fort Napster Krill says: gpoing via Sidon and U" Krill says: U2 Krill says: and we connect it to BOH, we could have it done in 10 turns Aqua says: ah yes, ok perhaps Aqua says: assuming we both stay at peace with BOH Krill says: I don't have any plans for war on two fronts right at this moment in time Aqua says: lol Aqua says: neither did we....and we got 3 fronts Krill says: I would not call 5 bab horsemen a front Krill says: Unles you do it right Aqua says: lol Krill says: OK, this will probably sound blunt, but: We are not going to change our research at all. This means that either A gov trade takes place, and we will then go fullbore on theology (stopping research to upgrade some spears along the way), or we carry on research into republic, and strip the monarchy+Lux/rep clause of our deal. Krill says: If the gov trade is stripped, then I will feel in no way obliged to reseach theo fullbore Krill says: but we will still research theo, and we will still give it too you, as we do owe you for mono Aqua says: I think that's the best we can do for now.....unless my guys really want to push on with the government deal