17-04-2005 22:44									#1
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quote: Hi Aqua, Just wondering, but what do you want for maths? We are willing to trade you some gold for it, but we aren't suree what you want. Please contact me soon, and we might get this trade done today Krill

	18-04-2005 00:48									#2
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quote: Do you have a Tech to trade for it? if not, then perhaps you can tell us what you are researching, and we can trade you maths for that tech.

	03-05-2005 00:29									#3
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quote: Hello, Aqua, You have not answered our request about your warrior Dave but we see you have not entered our territory as we asked. We don't know what your relations with BOH are but you are approaching a sizeable military force of theirs (placed in the jungles to the north). If you decide to move north could you tell us what units BOH has? We have offered you the secrets of the map making which will help you record in the best way the sights of your explorers. Regards, The team of Ankh-Morpork

	04-05-2005 23:14									#4
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quote: Regarding your suggestion of intelligence services, we are intrigued by the concept. At present we have no animosity towards the Horde, nor I believe do they towards us (though that remains to be seen). We shall continue to move north and take the risk of encountering unfriendly Hordes, for the purposes of providing you with military intelligence for the time being. In return, we would be happy to accept your gift of Map Making. I trust these discussions shall remain absolutely confidential between us. Aqualung the Desolator

	04-05-2005 23:16									#5
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quote: Honourable ormuzd of the AM As requested, we have continued north in our explorations and are pleased to provide you with our first intelligence report. We have spied 5 BOH Vet Swords and 2 Vet Archers. Please let us know what further intelligence you desire. We suggest moving our warrior further north to discover if any more BOH units are approaching. We have accepted your offer of Map Making. Please accept your end as agreed. Aqualung the Desolator

	05-05-2005 01:09									#6
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quote: Hello again, Aqua, I don't know where to start and how to explain the misconfusion that arose between us. We have the knowledge of map making and we wanted to share it with you expecting that you could share some other advance that our sages didn't discover already. The proposal about the intelligence was something totally different and it did not include the secret of the MM. The problem is that you sent us some information thinking the deal was accepted by us. To compensate in some degree we will tell you that moving your warrior only north from his current position will lead him through the jungles to BOH's territories. Going near borders will lead him to mountains and hills. I hope our good relations will stay at this level and we could work together in the future too. Regards, ormuzd

	07-05-2005 13:49									#7
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quote: Map Making, as per our original understanding. I believe you need all the friends you can get quote: ormuzd wrote on 05.05.05 12:08: Alright, what kind of compensation do you suggest? quote: Aqualung71 wrote on Thursday, 5th May 2005 04:34:44: That is most disappointing. There was no confusion on our part. You requested intelligence, we agreed to provide it. Surely you don't think it comes free of charge? Unless you are able to compensate us as per our original understanding, we shall have to be more careful about dealing with you in future. [quote] ormuzd wrote on 05.05.05 04:11: Hello again, Aqua, I don't know where to start and how to explain the misconfusion that arose between us. We have the knowledge of map making and we wanted to share it with you expecting that you could share some other advance that our sages didn't discover already. The proposal about the intelligence was something totally different and it did not include the secret of the MM. The problem is that you sent us some information thinking the deal was accepted by us. To compensate in some degree we will tell you that moving your warrior only north from his current position will lead him through the jungles to BOH's territories. Going near borders will lead him to mountains and hills. I hope our good relations will stay at this level and we could work together in the future too. Regards, ormuzd

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	10-05-2005 15:32									#8
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quote: Re: Re: C3CDG - Eve of Destruction I'm not sure if we've dealt with this yet......but if you give us Map Making as agreed, we will give you Currency once we complete it, in about 5 turns.

	10-05-2005 21:04									#9
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	26-05-2005 23:00									#10
	MM sent to DR but they refuse to give us Currency Got spare money?

quote: Thanks for the reminder. However, perhaps there has been some misunderstanding. We are quite happy to trade you Currency for Map Making as agreed, however as you are aware, Currency is worth 33% more than Map Making. We understood you would "top up" your offer with something else, presumably cash. Of course, since we are the only Civ with Currency, the unwritten condition of the trade is that you are not permitted to trade Currency to anyone else (as we have not done so with MM of course). Aqualung the Desolator

quote: ormuzd wrote on 26-05-2005 23:15: Hello, Why didn't you accept the deal for the currency as we have agreed some time ago? ormuzd

quote: I didn't see it this morning when I opened the save, so I presume you meant next turn. Our northern Warrior hasn't seen any more Mongol troops apart from the ones that are near your borders that you can see.

quote: ormuzd wrote on 11-05-2005 04:37: Alright, you will have it next turn you receive the save

quote: We have no problem with your Warrior exploring, as long as he does not enter our territory. We accept your word on this. So, will you send us Map Making accepted on the basis that we will send you Currency when complete?

quote: ormuzd wrote on 10-05-2005 18:35: I'm not sure if we've dealt with this yet......but if you give us Map Making as agreed, we will give you Currency once we complete it, in about 5 turns.

We are interested in trading map making for currency of course.

I think have forgotten to share some information with the hope to help you and compensate the information you have provided to us.
There is a warrior of ours near your North-East border with an Euphorician warrior. There were no other units to be seen by Grog, i.e. if you kill that warrior you should not expect more troubles in the next 2 turns.

We are going to move our warrior to the east - will this a problem. Can he pass without entering your territory?
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	26-05-2005 23:13									#11
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As you can see looking at the history of this conversation you have never mentioned a compensation of some kind. We have researched the same tech and we have abandoned it just because we have agreed to trade it for Map Making. Although the rule for monopoly is often used no-one has mentioned it until now. What I mean is that when a team gets a tech via trade it trades to other teams immediately. The simply reason you did not trade Map Making to anyone else was that you were the last team to have it.

I hope you'll keep your word and the good relations between your nations so that we could continue play as friends and help each other in the turns that come. Therefore, we can offer 50 gold in addition to MM for currency.

Ormuzd

P.S. Do not think we are already dead because you have seen BOH's army. We are pretty safe now and as you can see we are expanding. We have well sized army and we don't even see a reason for someone to think that we are dead, and trying to gain something of this fact.

	06-06-2005 15:57									#12
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quote: on 6th June Aqualung71 wrote Honourable Morporkians, Howe goes your war with the dangerous Horde? You seem to havfe regrouped nicely, and your military strength is clearly improving. We wish you continued good fortune in your struggle. In these dangerous times, the Council of the Desolation Row would prefer that your troops stayed well away from our territory. There is a war going on and we would not wish your men to be caught in crossfire. Neither would we like to be held responsible for casualties should your men get in the way of our military supply lines. We therefore request that you promptly remove both Grog and Cohen from the warzone. Aqualung the Desolator.

quote: on 6th June ormuzd wrote Hello, Aqua, Leader of Desolation Row, Our intentions were exactly the same and thus we planned to move our Grog along the hills and then pass on the western side of your territories without interfering the war between you and Euphorica. As for Cohen - once he completes the explorations of the continent near the shores he will disappear from your sight. You should be really not concerned about those two warriors who can't harm your great immortals. Their only purpose is to explore the continent. Regards, Ormuzd, a member of Ankh-Morpork team

	08-06-2005 01:06									#13
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quote: Might Ormuzd of Angh-Morpork Our troops have been put on the highest red alert, having spotted a substantial enemy stack of doom! We respectfully request in the most urgent way possible that your Warrior Grog camped on the mountain next to our territory move due north immediately, our of the battle zone, and continue out of the area. There are many confidential troop movements going on, and he is in danger of getting in the way of our columns. We cannot afford to be delayed by a turn and go around him, so please take this request seriously. The Council of Desolation Row thanks you in anticipation of your cooperation in this important issue. Aqualung the Desolator

quote: alliance proposal Honourable Ormuzd of Angh-Morpork As you are surely aware, your sworn enemy the Horde has recklessly and needlessly attacked our exploring Warrior, murdering him many miles from home without good cause. It seems to the Council of the Desolation Row that the Horde also attacked your gracious civilisation for no good reason some time ago, and we now find ourselves with a common enemy. The Desolation Row therefore extends the hand of friendship to you, and asks whether you are interested in extending the relationship we have slowly been forging together with our tech trades, to form an unshakable bond of common trust in order to eventually rid this world of the treacherous and dangerous Horde. Should you respond positively to this suggestion, perhaps we can forge a covert alliance and understanding over the long term. What say you, oh shrewd ones? Aqualung the Desolator

	08-06-2005 22:48									#14
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quote: Chat on 9th June Aqualung: oh,. I see Ormuzd: when are you online? Ormuzd: we had a discussion with krill and decided to not do anything because we were not certain Aqualung: hi there Aqualung: just getting my dinner out of the microwave, sorry Aqualung: you there? Ormuzd: ah, it's ok then Aqualung: what is? Aqualung: anyway, you online for a while now? Ormuzd: one hour Ormuzd: after this I need to visit my dentist again Aqualung: ok Aqualung: so tell me, why did you not heed our warning? Aqualung: sorry....I mean, listen to our request Ormuzd: because you said there was a SoD Aqualung: so what? Ormuzd: leaving the warrior on that mountain *outside* your territory on the side where Eu troops are not expected to approach seemed as the most harmless thing we could do Ormuzd: moving him north could prevent some troops movement Aqualung: ah, but you don't know from which direction they approach Ormuzd: and de not want to be involved in this war Ormuzd: no, we don't Aqualung: I have the turn now, and I can tell you the Euphoricans are moving directly towards your warrior Ormuzd: probably north or north east Ormuzd: and I didn't understand what is the problem if we move twise SE (over the hills Ormuzd: and move west Ormuzd: sorry - twice SW Aqualung: in fact, within the next turn you will either be in our path, or theirs Aqualung: so you'd better move north next turn Aqualung: yes, well the problem is our troop movements could be seen by you Aqualung: these are security issues you understand Ormuzd: wow, unexpected monavur by euphorica then Aqualung: remember, we have no knowledge of your relationship with Euphorica Aqualung: you could be covert allies for all we know Ormuzd: how could we be? Aqualung: you tell me Ormuzd: we were nearly destroyed - who could ally with us? Aqualung: you were never nearly destroyed Aqualung: thats what the Horde wanted us all to think Ormuzd: actually we were Aqualung: ok then Aqualung: so, let us turn our minds to matters of state Ormuzd: but we have outmaneuvered them and have defended ourselves Aqualung: perhaps we can then return to that troublesome warrior Aqualung: How goes your war.....are you committed to the long term, or are you looking for peace with the Horde? Ormuzd: fine, for your people to rest and concentrate on your real enemy we start moving at Sidon's border this could take 4-5 turns - can't remember the exact borders there Aqualung: sorry, I didn't understand that Aqualung: I'm not calling you an enemy Ormuzd: but yoususpect us Aqualung: I want to talk about friendship Aqualung: oh, well we suspect everyone....it's natural in this big bad world Aqualung: I'm sure you do to Aqualung: that is, until we have an alliance signed in blood Ormuzd: Ormuzd: I don't know if I would sign an alliance Aqualung: well, I don't mean a military alliance Aqualung: we wouldn't sign one either Ormuzd: last discussion show no shared victory Aqualung: true Aqualung: ok, let's not beat about the bush Aqualung: want to hear my proposal? Ormuzd: yes, of course Aqualung: ok Aqualung: we are both at war with the horde Aqualung: and for what I must say are frivolous reasons in both cases Ormuzd: this was a very infotunate really Ormuzd: I have tried to warn you to not move there Aqualung: the horde are impetuous, compulsive Ormuzd: they are a little bit paranoic well, little bit more than anyone else Aqualung: they are also run by a large committee, and Paddy has little or no control over their aggression Aqualung: they are an unsettling influence in the world Ormuzd: I don't care who has control and who - not Aqualung: in any case, the horde are not a real concern of ours Ormuzd: chaotic team Aqualung: I'm merely pointing out that with our wars against the horde, our interests are probably aligned Aqualung: now....you've no doubt noticed that due to all the tech whoring going on, all teams are roughly the same in technology Aqualung: and the tech pace is very fast Aqualung: I don't like that. I like to establish a tech lead, and keep the pace relatively slow so that a lead lasts longer and can be used for more things Aqualung: you with me so far? Ormuzd: I concur - the tech pace is ver low now Ormuzd: youhave traded the currency to noone else except us Aqualung: not really....most teams only have construction or currency to go then its the middle ages Ormuzd: noone has researched monarcy, republic or construction Aqualung: some are researching construction now Aqualung: I presume you are doing Republic or construction Ormuzd: one of them, I need to check Aqualung: ok Aqualung: we are on republic, but we have a deal lined up for construction already Ormuzd: we are concerned with growth and military and all our attention goes for the micromanagement and population happiness Aqualung: I understand Ormuzd: who is researching the construction? the lost boys? Aqualung: we are building military too, of course Aqualung: yes Aqualung: and horde I believe Aqualung: what talks have you had with Lost Boys and Babylon? Ormuzd: only brief talks Aqualung: Babylon are hard to talk to Ormuzd: with all these problems I have lately I have not a lot of time Ormuzd: and krill has a lot of exams Aqualung: ok Ormuzd: I only see babylon have very weak military and greatest score Aqualung: true Ormuzd: LB and babylon are the most spreaded civs Aqualung: and LB are expanding a lot Aqualung: so weak military Ormuzd: I wonder how could they defend themselves Ormuzd: but it is their problem Aqualung: they probabyl couldn't Ormuzd: too sad we can't pay thm a visit Aqualung: Babylon are near your borders....does that concern you? Ormuzd: if euphorica didn't attack you youcould sweep LB easily Ormuzd: we have a border agreement with them Aqualung: with Babylone? Aqualung: that's good Ormuzd: yes Ormuzd: the agreement with the horde is... impossible? Aqualung: impossible for you? Ormuzd: so, you are researching republic now? Ormuzd: this means you will be not abe to switch in the next 20+ turns Ormuzd: except youhave it now and make the revolution Aqualung: switch to? Aqualung: oh, right Ormuzd: to republic Aqualung: true Ormuzd: this means despotic GA Ormuzd: we faced the same problem with the horde Aqualung: yes Aqualung: but no choice really Ormuzd: we didn't want to trigger our GA Aqualung: so you are in your GA? Ormuzd: and this allowed them to get some advantage Ormuzd: but at the end we needed to drive them back or loose som important cities Aqualung: I am sure Ormuzd: at least they are not i our territory anymore Aqualung: so you are in a GA Ormuzd: the problem with the early UU Aqualung: true Aqualung: and we will be soon I am sure Ormuzd: the most important thing is we are doing well after the loss of a settler and two workers Aqualung: yes Aqualung: so you have recovered Ormuzd: you seem well prepared Aqualung: and have boosted your production with a GA Aqualung: we are struggling Ormuzd: size 7 capital could mean 20 spt in a GA Ormuzd: 20 turns pyramids Aqualung: no, we won't make 20 spt Aqualung: and we can't afford to build a wonder at the moment Ormuzd: sadly Aqualung: true Ormuzd: sadly for you of course it should be good for us Aqualung: lol Aqualung: of course Ormuzd: will you beat the SoD? Aqualung: we do not know Aqualung: they are strong the euphoricans Ormuzd: what are your relations with LB? Ormuzd: if Euphorica have them as friends it would be very, very hard for you Aqualung: so back to our talks Aqualung: are you interested? Ormuzd: yes, why not? Aqualung: good Ormuzd: I'm waiting to get 17:00 here Aqualung: and of course, a Non Aggression Pact Aqualung: I notice the horde has founded a city near your territory Ormuzd: we didn't see any sentries of yours to watch inthe west Ormuzd: we have secured our capital Ormuzd: it is obvious we have suffered mor from this war Aqualung: of course Ormuzd: but they are free to build inthe jungles Aqualung: but are they still sending troops to attack you? Ormuzd: being not industrious they will need an eternity to get the cities grow Ormuzd: and the desease is another problem Ormuzd: I think they prepare the next wave Aqualung: but they have flood plans Ormuzd: flood plains are in the middle of the map Ormuzd: I don't know their territory Aqualung: the horde has some Ormuzd: ah, I see Aqualung: so do LB Ormuzd: I knew there two teams with FP inthe beginning Ormuzd: I know already LB is on of them Ormuzd: so, the Horde is the other Aqualung: I do not know Babylon's land Aqualung: is it good? Ormuzd: they have tundras to the south Ormuzd: they have expanded quite fast and we could not investigate their territories before this Ormuzd: only the outer circle Aqualung: I see Ormuzd: the coastal line Ormuzd: what was the reason for the war between you and euphorica? Ormuzd: the official anouncement was "Musical Invasion" Ormuzd: very innovative Aqualung: no reasons Ormuzd: just like that? Aqualung: I can only guess they didn't want us to connect Iron because of our Immortals Ormuzd: they started a war instead growing? Ormuzd: paranoics seems to be part of their profile too Ormuzd: and they had greater losses after this Aqualung: true Ormuzd: any idea what are researching babylon? Aqualung: nope Ormuzd: they have always chosen the least desirable technologies Ormuzd: the lowest path Aqualung: oh yeh? Ormuzd: so, probably monarchy Ormuzd: yes Aqualung: lol Ormuzd: polytheism for example Ormuzd: how did you get poly? Aqualung: can't remember Aqualung: too long ago Aqualung: lol Ormuzd: I remmber it because I wondered what to research at some point - Math ot Poly Aqualung: ah ok Ormuzd: and decided for math it became a good move after we were the second team having it and succeeded trading it here and there Ormuzd: who is their ambassador (babylon's)? do they have any? Aqualung: beta or Kloreep Ormuzd: rhot is playing their turns but he will be distracted with ... other things... soon Ormuzd: rhot is playing euphorica's turns Ormuzd: *stupid* Aqualung: ok Aqualung: stupid? Aqualung: who? Ormuzd: me? Ormuzd: to confuse the turnplayers Aqualung: oh, why? Aqualung: oh ok Ormuzd: so absend-minded Ormuzd: oh, 20 minutes until the dentist Aqualung: ok Aqualung: later then Ormuzd: see you later and good luck witheuphorica Ormuzd: wait Aqualung: thqanks Ormuzd: could we make some pre-agreement about the republic? Ormuzd: how much until you research it? Aqualung: depends on how much cash we save for upgrades Aqualung: researching slow at the moment Ormuzd: ah, I see Ormuzd: with the GA youcould get it faster Ormuzd: and what upgrades? Aqualung: yes, true Ormuzd: sure not horseman-knights Aqualung: you must be researching fast in your GA too Ormuzd: it is something like 120 gold for unit Ormuzd: we have low population Aqualung: Aqualung: but Warrior - Immortal? Ormuzd: do you connect and disconnect the iron? Aqualung: no, but we had a few warriors at the start Ormuzd: the starting warriors deserve only disband :0 Ormuzd: usually they are regulars Aqualung: lol Ormuzd: I would never pay 60 gold for a regular swordsman Aqualung: no, not when you can turn them into immortals Ormuzd: immortls are something different indeed Aqualung: indeed Ormuzd: almost unstoppable Ormuzd: I understand now why you are the invded and not the invaders Aqualung: true Aqualung: they are afraid of us Aqualung: and we are just a friendly builder people Ormuzd: I would be too Ormuzd: Actually I already wonder what will we do once the horde begins with the kheshiks Ormuzd: we have a lot of mountains between us Ormuzd: they will come in no time to pay us a visit Ormuzd: "and we are just a friendly builder people" I don't believe this Aqualung: and the Euphoricans with their Riders Aqualung: why not? what have we done to alarm you? Ormuzd: one more reason for them to stay calm until the right time Aqualung: them? Aqualung: oh, yes Ormuzd: playing Persia peacefully is not right Aqualung: lol Aqualung: scientific, industrious....good traits Aqualung: good for a builder Ormuzd: yes, they are Ormuzd: but immortals just scream to be put in action Aqualung: yes, unfortunately they do Ormuzd: not like carthage Aqualung: so what can I say? Ormuzd: carthage is a peaceful nation Aqualung: carthage? Aqualung: but you are egypt Ormuzd: egypt are offensive too Ormuzd: religious and industrious Ormuzd: with cheap mobile unit Ormuzd: but they can beat with no wars Ormuzd: the mobility helps to build less units Aqualung: yep Ormuzd: and have number superiority Aqualung: 33% cheaper horses Aqualung: so you can build 50% more! Ormuzd: and we could rearange 10 2-attack units for one turn Ormuzd: you will need a lot of army to attack such a force Ormuzd: and temples help for culture - natural movement prevention Ormuzd: our first build was a temple I think Aqualung: I see

	11-06-2005 01:52									#15
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quote: Aqua says: good evening Aqua says: or afternoon I guess Krill says: early afternoon for me, thanks. How are you? Krill says: hmm, aren't you in the Perth Timezone? Aqua says: yep Aqua says: 10:20pm Krill says: ouch. Krill says: 15:22 here. Krill says: I still got a Friday evening to look forward to. Pity I'm not doing anything. Aqua says: I've done my friday evening Krill says: one coudl take that so many different ways... Krill says: Aqua says: yes, one could Aqua says: so how;s the demogame treating you guys? Krill says: As well as it is treating both you and EU... Krill says: Are you going to have a battle report to send when you next get the save? Aqua says: I really don't know Aqua says: they may have a battle report first! Aqua says: what are your long term plans in this game? Aqua says: do you wish to ally yourselves? Krill says: to play civ. Aqua says: lol Aqua says: of course Krill says: BRB Krill says: I don't know what me and Ormuzd are going to do. We are happy to trade techs on a case by case basis, but beyond that we are not sure of what to do. I mean, in ten turns from now every city we have could be rubble or in the hands of another civ. Same goes for you. Aqua says: no, not really Aqua says: unless 2 or 3 civs team up against us Krill says: If you say so...but then why are you so scared of poor little Grog on his mountain shack? Aqua says: not scared.....just concerned about what information he may feel inclined to impart to our enemies Krill says: Well, good luck with the Stack Aqua says: ah, so you've seen it? Krill says: yep. Krill says: though as I can't compare it to your forces, I can't comment... Aqua says: true Aqua says: well, it certainly is a fearsome stack Aqua says: bigger than any you've seen from the Horde I am sure Krill says: no comment Aqua says: lol Aqua says: well, if you had seen a stack that big that early, we wouldn't be chatting now! Krill says: Again, "no coment" Krill says: Damn it, I can't spell... Aqua says: jeez, why are you so secretive? Krill says: well, seeing as you don't want Grog to go any where near the site of battle, I could ask the same question to you. Aqua says: ah, I see Aqua says: are you friends with Euphorica then? Krill says: Not really. I can't remember the last chat we had. Are you the friends with Long Boys at all? Aqua says: We've had discussions.....they're a bit of a dark horse, as are Babylon Aqua says: doing their own thing I think, ignoring the regional wars Krill says: Same here. Any ideas about BOH? Me and Ormuzd would think about a trade embargo. Krill says: I mean, it's not like either of us can trade anything... Aqua says: lol Aqua says: yeh Aqua says: well we're thinking of arranging a trade embargo too Aqua says: but as you say.....against the civs we're at war with is not really achieving anything anyway Aqua says: perhaps....what about an alliance of the pacifist nations Krill says: An alliance right now would not do anything, as you have to sort out Euphorica, and me and Orm are still sorting the empire and army out. Look at F3, for example. Aqua says: which is F3? Aqua says: military? Krill says: yep, military. Krill says: F1 is cities/ economy Aqua says: oh, consult him every turn Aqua says: I don't use the F keys Krill says: OK. Krill says: Oh, and something not related to this game at all. how is the Trial By Trait game going? Aqua says: we;ve passed you in military Aqua says: oh, pretty interesting Krill says: a Aqua says: a? Krill says: sorry, my mistake. Aqua says: ok Aqua says: are you talking to antyone in the TBT game? Krill says: must of pressed it when checking. Sorry Krill says: No, I'm not talking to any of them. Aqua says: ok Aqua says: Klor and MWIA are building their military seirously to invade Aqua says: 1889 and I have allied with Prex....your old civ Aqua says: since Prex is alone now Longshot is dead Krill says: Don't expect much from Prex Aqua says: 1889 is preparing to hit rome with PRex from the other side Aqua says: my role is to keep Kloreep's immortals at bay so he cannot assist Aqua says: fun game Krill says: Numids used the way they should be. Krill says: where are you in tech? Aqua says: as in? Krill says: Gunpowder? Krill says: Education? Aqua says: I'm doing Astronomy, 1889 on Gunpowder Aqua says: PRex saving cash for upgrades Krill says: Who got Leos? Aqua says: MWIA ann Kloreep still don't have Theology Aqua says: I've got a prebuild going for it Aqua says: but my shield production is poor Aqua says: Klor also has a prebuild for something Aqua says: maybe Leo's Aqua says: but if I hit him with a Merc I can generate my GA Aqua says: his GA is long past Krill says: Thanks to Longshot and I... Krill says: Aqua says: yep Aqua says: just like Longshot's GA was thanks to me Krill says: Longshot did not know how to play. Aqua says: clearly Krill says: I saw his land, it was, to put it simply, and undiplomatically, crap. Krill says: But he would be evenly matched if he played Prex. Krill says: both are at similar skill level. You might want to keep that in mind. Aqua says: who, longshot? Aqua says: yeh, PRex is not a great player Aqua says: and Klor and MWIA will make a reasonable team if they combine Krill says: shouldn't you be asleep right now? Aqua says: I should yes Aqua says: but I'm a night owl Aqua says: and besides, I did my Friday night, remember? Krill says: are you still up?

	16-06-2005 12:01									#16
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quote: Sent by Aqua on 16th June 2005 Gentlemen It is difficult to believe that you have joined the Horde and the Euphoricans in their war against us, particularly given the Horde's treatment of your good selves. Yet those are the rumours we have heard, and that there are AM troops near our lands ready to cash in on our misfortune. It seems then that our recent discussions over trade may come to nothing. Alternatively, perhaps you may like to join us in our righteous crusade against these aggressors, by providing military assistance? We would be happy to discuss compensation. Aqualung of the Desolation Row

	16-06-2005 14:02									#17
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Personally I would like to keep the war between EU and DR going as long as possible, so that they both fall behind. One way to do that might be to loan gold to DR to upgrade more immortals, but one thing that they need that they can't get is Fued, and they also need a load more cats to keep on pinging EU.

One idea that I have regarding the EU-BOH RoP is that BOH are going to help invade DR. Remembert, Paddy said that they had two army groups, one in their homeland, abd the other was used for attacking us. Maybe they withdrew their army from our lands to cover their own lands, and sent the reserve army to attack DR from the west. That would break DR, very badly. Thay would need at least 5 spears in Antioch, with walls (on a hill, forted, spears are defense 4.5. Horses would get eaten for breakfast, Swords would need quite a bit of cat support).

So maybe we could consider a loan of gold to DR?

	16-06-2005 14:05									#18
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Oh, and no way am I going to backstab. It is just not worth it, unless the RNG suddenly decides it hates BOH.

DR are as good as dead, in the long run, it is just how long we (as in us and/or Babylon and/or LB) are willing to prop them up

	17-06-2005 01:04									#19
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quote: Sent to Aqua on 16th June 2005 Hello, Aqua, I want to assure you we have no intentions to attack you nor your people. Our "army" consists of two regular warriors and one of them will leave your sight very soon. Probably you'll never see him again. The other one was put on a position just to watch and it is no real treat as you can see. About our tech proposal - we'd really like to make it. But as e talked earlier this could not happen in the next ~ 20 turns. So, we have a lot of time to prepare our defences and hopefully enter the new era. After this we could make a research plan. This will allow us to see the situation and choose a partner between babylon and lost boys. We could discuss an agreement republic for gold - there is no need to waste time both of us researching it. We could send you gold which should come in handy in this war. Ormuzd, Member of Ankh-Morpork

	18-06-2005 22:21									#20
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quote: Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Aqua says: good evening Krill says: Good afternoon. Aqua says: how's your saturday? Krill says: sunny. For once. Aqua says: bloody cold here Krill says: well, you had your summer... Moonbars has been added to the conversation. Aqua says: just adding Moonbars Krill says: In Britain, Spring usually leads straight into Autumn... Todor has been added to the conversation. Krill says: Moonbars will agree with me, I'm sure... Aqua says: ok guys, let's talk business Krill says: I'm ready. Aqua says: Moonbars, you there? Aqua says: ormuzd? Todor says: yes, I am Moonbars says: hello Moonbars says: in the Scotland, summer is the sunny break in the clouds & lunchtime on monday the 4th of may Moonbars says: nice to meet u on MSN krill, dont think I have u on my contact list Aqua says: killerkrill....great addy Krill says: I signed up so that communication in this game would be easier. Moonbars says: ah, cool Krill says: the rest of the addys were taken Moonbars says: welcome to the world of pointless messaging.. Krill says: it is not pointless. Only jobs are pointless... Aqua says: hmmm, interesting concept Moonbars says: sucks.. Moonbars is pretty original, but I still managed to miss Moonbars@yahoo.com... I think I registered it and then forgot my password & the email I used to sign up Moonbars says: ooooh deep Moonbars says: too deep for my hangover Aqua says: i did the same with aqualung...which is why my addy is now akwalung Todor says: we are playing the turn now Moonbars says: haha Aqua says: ah, yes...the turn Todor says: we could make something before sending to euphorica Aqua says: now that would be nice Moonbars says: How are you guys doiung.. who do u see as your enemies? ormuzd says: we have a message from your "good" neighbours ormuzd says: they have the construction Aqua says: you mean euphorica? ormuzd says: but you can't get it from them Krill says: yup, EU... ormuzd says: yes, euphorica Aqua says: the Bards, as Paddy calls them Moonbars says: otherwise known as the temper-tantrem team Aqua says: lol....now now, behave Moonbars says: after mcmeadows hissy fit ormuzd says: bards... Moonbars says: hehe ormuzd says: with their "funny" riders paddy will change the title ormuzd says: I don't think they will leave it this way ormuzd says: so, I have an idea ormuzd says: I could trade the currency to them ormuzd says: I think the construction is little bit more expensive Aqua says: what are you guys rewsearching? ormuzd says: republic Aqua says: oh, bad move Moonbars says: how many turns? ormuzd says: and then trade the construction with you Aqua says: anyone else have construction? Aqua says: LB, Babs? ormuzd says: no, noone ormuzd says: but I guess BOH will very soon ormuzd says: what aws the cost of construction? 20? Krill says: 20. Krill says: Currency is 16 Aqua says: Rep is 28 Ithink' Aqua says: how many turns till you get Rep? Krill says: yep, rep =28 Krill says: poly 12 Krill says: MM 16 Krill says: lit, CoL 10 Krill says: Monarchy 24 Aqua says: yes, yes, Mr Micromanager Krill says: well...I can say exactly how may shields you are making, with a two shield in accuracy either way... Krill says: inaccuracy ormuzd says: so, only one team has the construction Aqua says: I'm sure....we can probabl do the same for you Aqua says: we have much in common ormuzd says: I really doubt ormuzd says: anyway Aqua says: presumably you are No. 1 in production then ormuzd says: this doesn't matter yet ormuzd says: shields do not help for research Moonbars says: Moonbars says: anyway ormuzd says: except if you make wealth which we don't Aqua says: true Moonbars says: can you guys keep a secret? ormuzd says: have I said we need 12 turns for the republic? Krill says: yep. Just ask Aqua Krill says: oh, I was replying to Moonbars... Moonbars says: no, but that was my secret. We are closer ormuzd says: how many turns do you need? Aqua says: 6....less once our GA is triggered Aqua says: which as you will know, will be very soon Moonbars says: actually is it not 5 now? Moonbars says: anyway, not many Aqua says: nah, had to drop it back a turn Moonbars says: ah ormuzd says: great ormuzd says: then this is my suggestion ormuzd says: we cancel our republic research now Moonbars says: saves you a lot of turns ormuzd says: we trade currency for construction paying some gold to euphorica ormuzd says: than we trade construction for republic with you adding some amount of gold ormuzd says: the amount would be discussed Aqua says: (putting them closer to Chivalry) ormuzd says: this will send you in the next era with one tech ahead of everyone else Moonbars says: well i've got another idea. ormuzd says: babylon have just researched monarchy and still lack both construction and currency ormuzd says: with us around with the republic who will trade with them for monarchy? ormuzd says: babylon are behind us Moonbars says: we give you republic for free, and we form a game-long alliance Krill says: tech wise. ormuzd says: this mean we could get LB as our third research partner Moonbars says: babylon are not a very functioning group, hard to get any talk out of them ormuzd says: but they are first in population Krill says: and land area. Moonbars says: eh? ormuzd says: only the military is weak Krill says: f8... ormuzd says: but with neighbours like the Horde we can't attack them Aqua says: nope, we are first in population Moonbars says: sure, just not sure what you mention it in realtion to ormuzd says: how many population do you have? ormuzd says: Babyln have 19%% Krill says: they just grew. Krill says: after your turn. Aqua says: perhaps, but we're close....anyway, moving on ormuzd says: but DR are playing exactly afte babylon ormuzd says: yes, anyway Aqua says: back to what Moonbars was szaying Krill says: gah, I have no idea anymore... ormuzd says: babylon are powerful - this is what I mean ormuzd says: what were you saying, moonbars? ormuzd says: game-long alliance? Moonbars says: indeed ormuzd says: what will be this for? Aqua says: we have much in common, as I said ormuzd says: I told Aqua yesterday we need to keep calm now Moonbars says: goal of eliminating the other teams, and then fighting it out between ourselves, or just declaring the DG over with us as vicotrious allies Krill says: what sort of alliance? we kill everyone until only us two are left, then we duke it out amongsdt our selves? ormuzd says: to not annoy the horde Moonbars says: the horde are full of hot air, and their army is on our border, not yours. Aqua says: bah, the horde are arrogant, and try to convince everyone else they are mighty Krill says: Shared victory is out, just look at the public forum. ormuzd says: they have army at our border too Moonbars says: so they pose no immediate threat to you Aqua says: with teamwork they can be overcomeyou did so yourselves already Moonbars says: really? what's in it? Aqua says: not shared....last two, then fight it out ormuzd says: we have already common border now Krill says: OK, I get it now... Moonbars says: Krill - I am not aware of any rule that prevents teams working together Aqua says: but game long alliance until then Aqua says: we have both been attacked by the horde, we have both lost cities to them Aqua says: we are both micromanagers Moonbars says: also, if it's just us left, we can do whatever we like Aqua says: we have much in common Moonbars says: without an ally, we are in a stalemate. The eurphoricans can't advance on us, and their army is a bit stuck miles away from their homes. If we can drive the horde back a bit, we can rampage through the Euphoricans pretty quickly Aqua says: we are not necessarily asking for immediate military aid, just the threat of it Moonbars says: aye Moonbars says: there is no need for you to rush into war Aqua says: that will probabyl force the horde to retreat to home so we can attack euphorica Aqua says: we don't want them to get to riders Aqua says: in return we are prepared to share our techs generously Moonbars says: Think of what the situation will be otherwise, if Desolation Row is slowly pushed back by these two teams. you guys are the obvious next target for the horde Aqua says: the tech pace is far too quick, without an alliance there is no hope of getting a lead with all the whoring going on Krill says: BRB ormuzd says: yes, I agree Moonbars says: in fact, If I was the horde, and I had troops on your broder already, i'd be sending my Ancient Cavs your way, and not towards the Desolate front as that's got the euphoricans already Moonbars says: Horde and Euphorica have a long standing alliance. Moonbars says: the horde travelled through their territory to reach us Aqua says: we had plans to invade euphorica...the horde spoiled those plans by turning up Moonbars says: saved them Moonbars says: but it was also quite good timing Aqua says: with your help, they may disappear again Moonbars says: as our invasion army is instead hidden out of horde sight.. and the horde likely thinks we are weak on their front. we are not, we've got a greater force. Krill says: next to Antioch? Krill says: on in Antioch? Krill says: *or Aqua says: and like you, we can make quick decisions....not like the Babs who are fence sitters and LB, who have only 1889 as the player and who is......eccentric, to say the least Moonbars says: bit of both ormuzd says: is BOH's army so big? Moonbars says: we are wary of another team at peace with us spying and passing to horde ormuzd says: we can't see it now Moonbars says: not following youi Todor - the horde stack is horses & swords and 3 spears I think Moonbars says: it's weak.. they skimpt on defence, and we have immortals. Krill says: no cats? ormuzd says: hehe Aqua says: we are confident of holding them back, and if they venture into our territory they will have hell to pay Moonbars says: inded. ormuzd says: they attacked us with only swords Aqua says: but we don't need them bringing reinforcements ormuzd says: no spears, no horses, no cats Moonbars says: u here that AQUA, krill thinks cats are good Krill says: cats are always good. Aqua says: lol Moonbars says: Krill - tell Aqua how important cats are Aqua says: Moons, I never said I didn't like cats Moonbars says: this has been a topic of endless posting in the DR... Moonbars says: well build some more of them then!! Krill says: ever seen 10 cats constantly bombarding a stack forted in your own teritory on a mountain? Aqua says: yes, you'd think we'd have more to talk about with 2 armies on opposite ends of our empire Moonbars says: haha Moonbars says: Aye, cats are great.. Moonbars says: 100% chance of not dying, and they fire twice a turn! Krill says: when the private forums are opened for the PTWDG, go look for the Voxian war Aqua says: so what do you think of our proposal? Moonbars says: forget the proposal, tell aqua how great cats are again Moonbars says: it's all I really care about Aqua says: the horde have built a large army for only one purpose, and they will use it against whoever is around Aqua says: lololol Moonbars says: (@) Krill says: first of all, can you summerise the tech trades? Aqua says: sure Krill says: thanks. Moonbars says: i don't want this to be a "we give u this, u give us that" sort of alliance - it would be a total share of everything, with the above stated goal. total co-operation. that said, we can still manipulate things with the other teams tech-wise. First up, we'll send over Republic as soon as we get it Moonbars says: if you can get const, then u can send it over to us. Moonbars says: we'll give you our free middle age tech, to cement the alliance. game long, to the end Moonbars says: I am not sure what your military is like, but we'd like to see you gear up for a fight in the medium term Aqua says: we would also like to put pressure on the horde....perhaps we announce a military alliance against them Moonbars says: we can only kill the units the enemy sends at us at present - we can't strike back into their land becuase we can't know that we'd be leaving the back door open for the other team Moonbars says: but not right away, that can wait Aqua says: frankly, we're tired of hte suspicion between teams, not knowing who you can talk to without your enemies finding out....let's cement a game long alliance and not have such worries Moonbars says: besides, these games are more fun with a few friends to plot with Krill says: Aqua says: true Moonbars says: and we can admit you both to the catapult vote - hehe Moonbars says: (@) Moonbars says: (@) Moonbars says: (l) Aqua says: lef tto grow, we will be a formidable ally. With continued harrassment form both ends, we will be lesser of an ally Aqua says: simple as that Aqua says: do you have relations wit hLB? Moonbars says: neither of those teams is going to make any inroads into us anytime soon, but our window to cause max damage to them ends when immortals become obsolete, so we have a limited time frame to strike Krill says: Immortals only become obsolete when muskets appear... Moonbars says: not mechanics obsolete - when they are no longer of battlefield use Moonbars says: besides, musketmen will be here soon, the tech pace is fast Krill says: Immortals against Pikes are fine, if you have cats Moonbars says: god I love you Aqua says: Meaning, they lose their exclusive wedge once MI appear Moonbars says: (@) Moonbars says: aye Aqua says: edge, not wedge Krill says: they are still cheaper to upgrade and build. Aqua says: once our GA is generated and we have Feudalism, we can't build them Moonbars says: aye, mores the pity Aqua says: is your army weak or average to the horde? Moonbars says: did u guys make any war chariots? Krill says: weak to you, Eu and BOH... Krill says: mostly WC and Horses. Moonbars says: kewl. Egypt was the civ played for the first poly DG, aye? Moonbars says: it was also the first civ I ever played with civ3 Aqua says: ah, but WC are beautifully cheap Krill says: no idea. they were played by my team in the PTWDG, though. Moonbars says: religious, right? Krill says: Rel, Ind. Aqua says: it was my first Iron Civer civ too Aqua says: very versatile Moonbars says: you guys could be the first republic, and in only 5 or 6 turns Aqua says: good point Moonbars says: that should jump you up the ladder a lot Aqua says: are you big enough yet to switch? Krill says: I don't know. Krill says: Let me have a look for a moment Krill says: I don't think so, but it would be close if we maxed tax. Krill says: it is the unit support. Moonbars says: I'd rather have gone monarchy.. but i was outvoted again Moonbars says: aye, unit support is a killer in any MP game for republic Moonbars says: limits the size of your army even when u have a huge civ Aqua says: yes, we need mre cities before we can switch Krill says: Unit support is fine, compared to monarchy, if you have enough cities. Moonbars says: nah, u'd need 20-30 cities to support over a 100 units Krill says: max tax, and a GA? Krill says: 30 cities here would suport about 200 units, especcialy if you planned it right before hand... Moonbars says: in Iron Civ, I was placing little cities down on deserts and i tile islands, becaue I simply couldnt support my 200 cannons Krill says: did you really have 200 cannons? Aqua says: 30 cities in this game would be the only civ left Krill says: most cats I ever had was 50, but then again, I did have 150 swords... Moonbars says: max tax is not an option, you'd fall behind technically and be obsolete Moonbars says: must have been close. Moonbars says: to 200 Aqua says: Moons, I never knew you were such a warmonger Aqua says: at least, not until the horde attacked us Aqua says: hmmmm....so where are we up to? Moonbars says: warmonger/builder is stupid definition, u need to be both depending on the situation Moonbars says: no offense anybody, I get a bit carried away Krill says: Well, I can say that I am very impressed by your offer, and I personally would agree to it. But I can't do anything without Orm agreeing (he can't do anyhting without me either, so it is fair), and Orm is not here atm... Krill says: he just went out. Aqua says: oh, ok Moonbars says: lol, I have such a rubbish memory, I only had 21 cannons Aqua says: well you guys discuss it, perhaps come back with any suggestions of your own Krill says: Oh, and Warmonger/builder definitions do apply to some people. Aqua says: but we've thought about it a bit, and we thik it makes a lot of sense Krill says: but the best can do both... Moonbars says: sure Moonbars says: people who can't adapt Krill says: I'll be here for ages anyway. Aqua says: you can't be a warmonger without being a good builder Moonbars says: yeah Moonbars says: well actually I suppose you could archer rush Moonbars says: like I did when I elimiated trip in our PBEM Aqua says: lol Krill says: is that an internal PBEM? Aqua says: 1 on 1? Krill says: between DR members? Moonbars says: One Arm Bandits Krill says: ah. Moonbars says: got Theseus & Rommel2D in it as well Moonbars says: I am playing a 1v1 with paddy just now Moonbars says: is good game.. I got a sweet mayan start on a river Aqua says: almost unbeatable that one Moonbars says: he got a flood plain celt start.. Moonbars says: but he;s got Nooooooo iron Moonbars says: but he does have ivory Aqua says: and Paddy does love SoZ Krill says: 4 turn settler pump? Krill says: your mayan start? Moonbars says: well at the moment it's a 2 turn med inf pump.. the settling days are over Moonbars says: but in it's early days Krill says: what year? Krill says: stock rules? Moonbars says: about 10BC i think. stock Krill says: loks like a good game. The only game I have ever been in that reached the med era was with Conwueror, jshelr, and alexman. I got left with a 3 city civ. Krill says: and that was my first PBEM. Quite enlightening. Aqua says: ah, the one where alex played the combat settler card as teh celts? Krill says: Conqueror Krill says: yep, that was the one. the first 2-a-day Krill says: IIRC Aqua says: that was an awesome display Krill says: I got him back in the next game... Aqua says: Moons, you should go see the thread to learn what he is capable of Moonbars says: read it Krill says: it was two combat settlers...

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quote: Krill says: loks like a good game. The only game I have ever been in that reached the med era was with Conwueror, jshelr, and alexman. I got left with a 3 city civ. Krill says: and that was my first PBEM. Quite enlightening. Aqua says: ah, the one where alex played the combat settler card as teh celts? Krill says: Conqueror Krill says: yep, that was the one. the first 2-a-day Krill says: IIRC Aqua says: that was an awesome display Krill says: I got him back in the next game... Aqua says: Moons, you should go see the thread to learn what he is capable of Moonbars says: read it Krill says: it was two combat settlers... Moonbars says: i've read all of poly researching my Iron Civ finalists Krill says: and three workesrs... Moonbars says: i even googled you. Krill says: me? Moonbars says: but "aqualung" returned a lot of non-relevent data Krill says: or Aqua, I believe would be the more worthy of googling. Krill says: I'm just a humble and unskilled C3C player... Aqua says: lol Aqua says: yeh, me too Aqua says: just got lucky I think Krill says: the differences between accountancy and civ are very minute, when you get down to the details though... Aqua says: you referring to me? Aqua says: Well gentlemen, please excuse me....it is past midnight and I will have 2 kids in my bed by 6am! Aqua says: it has been an enlightening and much overdue conversation Krill says: have a good sleep aqua. Aqua says: we look forward to your thoughts Krill says: it has been enlightening. Aqua says: please send my regards to ormuzd and thank him for his participation Krill says: OK, Will do. Aqua says: cheers guys Moonbars says: I will be about for the rest of the day, if you guys want to talk about anything else Krill says: Thanks. Krill says: Moonbasr Aqua says: goodnight Krill says: goodnight Moonbars says: *waves* Moonbars says: and remember... dream of stacks of ...... Moonbars says: (@) Moonbars says: how many pbems have u finished krill, i've only completed 1... Aqua has left the conversation. Krill says: Finished as in win a victory condition? none Krill says: finished because everyone agrees on who the victor is, atleast 3 Krill says: 2-a-day, lost Krill says: then the next 2-a-day, alexman and jshelr yielded to me Moonbars says: just games compelted. only had 1 go the distance so far Moonbars says: iron civ c Krill says: never finished a game where all of the other players had died. Moonbars says: yes it gets a bit 1 sided eventually Moonbars says: off for some food.. Krill says: OK, then, cya later. Moonbars says: mail me or message me if and your team-mate agree anythung Krill says: OK ormuzd says: the number of seconds in a hour? Krill says: 3600 Krill says: small map, 60*60 tiles Krill says: 12% earth surface. ormuzd says: why 12% Krill says: F8 ormuzd says: 12% is us+babylon? Krill says: therefore ~782 tiles on the map are land based tiles ormuzd says: or our population? Krill says: wait. Krill says: that is flawed. Krill says: give me a moment ormuzd says: 90 tiles - 6% 1500 tiles - 100% Krill says: what is 7% Krill says: ? Krill says: 105 Krill says: percentage error: Krill says: therefore bas hae 107tiles max Krill says: babs Krill says: Boh have less that that. ormuzd says: 1500/3600 = 0.41 ormuzd says: so, 60% water Krill says: yep. Krill says: max water Krill says: sorry, min water, max land... Krill says: I'm going insane... ormuzd says: 3600%0.4 = 1440 tiles then ormuzd says: 89/1440 = 6.18% ormuzd says: city west of memphis will add 5 tiles 94/1440 = 5.52% Krill says: 6.52% ormuzd says: next city will add 8 tiles 102/1440 = 7.08 % ormuzd says: yes, 6.52%, sorry ormuzd says: we will reach babylon in two turns Krill says: pop though, we severely lack in. ormuzd says: and we have the same size military Krill says: that is where the worker pumps kick in ormuzd says: we are first in life expectrancy Krill says: I don't know what that is... ormuzd says: granaries Krill says: really? ormuzd says: yes ormuzd says: cities with granaries = 12 pop cities without = 8 Krill says: that is good news. ormuzd says: (12*40+8*20)/20 = 32 ormuzd says: F11 - 36 ormuzd says: so, error in my calcs Krill says: Life Expectancy (# of years) 20 + {(Citizens who live in a city with a Granary + Citizens who live in a city with a Aqueduct + Citizens who live in a city with a Hospital) / 3 / (Total Number of Citizens) * 80} ormuzd says: open the thread where I wrote this stuff Krill says: from this http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=126878 thread ormuzd says: so, citizens, no pop units ormuzd says: this results in 36 then ormuzd says: noone has aqueducts ormuzd says: nor hospitals Krill says: no one has hospitals... Krill says: obviously Krill says: Home has to be size8, in a GA to make 230 spt. Krill says: so we would only need one worker out of all of the workers Home produces to be added back to home.

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quote: Cheers! It's akwalung71@yahoo.com Keep sending them to me as well I am wondering... What is your plan to defeat the Horde? Surely you see them as your main enemy. Have you any contact with Babylon or the Lost Boys? If you guys don't stand up and be counted with us in our war with the Horde, they will be knocking on your door very soon. If you are going to defeat them, now is the best time, when you have a strong ally, about to under-go it's Golden Age, and armed with the best unit in the ancient age. If you wait, the current stalemate continues whilst the Horde's number of ACs increase, and they continue to grow economically. Our entire economy is currently geared for war. The longer it lasts, the worse it gets for us. If you pitch in now, we both stand a good chance of coming out the other end in strong positions. If we don't come together, AM and DR will be the first teams to be eliminated. If you have another plan that involves beating the Horde, let me hear it and I'll see how we can help you. Regards, James McQuiggan

	29-06-2005 12:05									#23
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quote: Sent by Aqua on 28th June Friends You will no doubt have heard of the great victory of the Immortals at the Battle of Mount Massacre. The Euphorican stack was decimated, and we expect the survivors to be on their way home to nurse their wounds. We have also finally uncovered the full extent of the conspiracy against our nation, and it involves not only the Horde and Euphorica, but Babylon also. In fact, we are reliably informed that the only reason the Horde called off their invasion of your own lands was because they had been ordered to our lands by their Euphorican allies to support the attack upon us. This puts us both in a position where there is really only one alternative......an alliance between Desolation Row, Ankh-Morpork and Lost Boys. We are grateful that we have established friendly relations with both your esteemed selves and the Lost Boys, and we believe that our three nations should now stand tall. After our resounding victory over Euphorican forces, we are hopeful of bringing an end to our war with the Horde, though a cessation of hostilities in no way implies friendship I shall leave you to consider the implications of recent events and the suggestions we have made. Aqualung the Desolator

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quote: Aqua says: good afternoon friend Krill says: good afternoon Aqua says: do you have a turn to play? Krill says: I'm just finishing it now. Aqua says: ah Aqua says: how does the landscape look? Krill says: something you might like to know. Aqua says: blood red? Aqua says: ah Aqua says: possibly Aqua says: more bad news I assume Krill says: not really. Aqua says: ok Krill says: I'll start by asking if you have approached LB yet, with an offer of alliance/ Krill says: they have construction Aqua says: yes we have Aqua says: I thought it was a good idea for 3 of us to team up Aqua says: why? Krill says: Sorry, I'm having to cary this and two other conversations at the same time. Krill says: keeping track of what is said, and should be said, isdifficult... Krill says: LB have told us that they don't want an alliance. This is bad news in itself, but they have said that they want to stay neutral, but retain their threat to Babylon. Aqua says: hmmm Aqua says: strange Krill says: Now, taking a short term view on things, one of the things that neither of us want to happen is for Babs to get into the med era and get fued as their free tech. Aqua says: ormuzd told me yesterday he favoured you guys attacking Babylon Aqua says: yes, well they will be there soon I guess Aqua says: as will everyone Aqua says: in fact, we will be there next turn Aqua says: as we've done a deal for construction Krill says: looking at the language, it seems like he does not want to, but would if it was in his best interests. Aqua says: I see Aqua says: well it certainly is in his best interests Krill says: what his best interests are, though, I have no idea.. Aqua says: he has expanded quickly and must surely be quite weak Aqua says: so militarily he's not much use at this time anyway Krill says: he is not that weak, but a concerted effort by one team could break his back... Aqua says: where are you at for research? Aqua says: if we didn't have the Horde on our back we could probably take out one team quite easily Krill says: I know what you mean. we could defend our land quite easily, against two teams, but going for the kill for us is difficult. Krill says: well, for a while, anyway... Aqua says: yeh Aqua says: our main interest is trimming Euphorica Aqua says: we don't want those damn Riders coming down on us from the north with their 3 movement points Aqua says: just wish the Horde would bugger off Krill says: I don't want a culture war against the babs. Suicide. Aqua says: we could team up against babs also if the horde weren't around Aqua says: bloody sticking their noses into other people's business! Krill says: oh, and commiserations on the GA Aqua says: it was a necessary evil Aqua says: no point saving your GA until after you are destroyed Aqua says: it has boosted our Immortal production power at a very critical time Aqua says: we can churn them out pretty quickly now Krill says: why not cut iron? or have you done that already? Aqua says: no, upgrades are too expensive and we don't have the cash Aqua says: we can do 2 turn immortals as it is Aqua says: cutting iron and building warriors would be a waste of shields Krill says: next turn that could very well be two turn pikes... Aqua says: That's what I'm hoping Aqua says: Then they won't stand a chance of breaking through......but as usual with Civ, we need a few turns breathing room and don't have it! Krill says: damnit, I need ormuzd. Krill says: If he was here, I could have gone with my chosen couse of action. Aqua says: which was? Aqua says: KILL BABYLON!!!! Aqua says: lol Aqua says: by the way, we don't have a signed alliance yet Krill says: no, that his couse of action. Krill says: my course of action was to build for the rest of eternity Aqua says: ah Aqua says: until somebody wipes you out you mean? Krill says: I did not say what I was building.... Aqua says: lol Aqua says: I see Krill says: building WC and Leos is not really builderish... Aqua says: Leos is a rather long term plan in this game Krill says: it is too long term, I agree. Krill says: but knights aren't Aqua says: we're running out of time too Aqua says: our immortals lose their punch very soon Aqua says: so what tech do you lack.....construction? Krill says: yep. Krill says: just give me one moment. Aqua says: do you have a deal to get it? Aqua says: ok Krill says: I'll sell you monarchy for construction, straight deal. Aqua says: monarchy? Krill says: yes, monarchy. Aqua says: we have republic next turn Aqua says: I presume you will switch to monarchy pretty soon then, being religious? Aqua says: or would you rather republic? Krill says: I've not decided on when, but that is the plan. Krill says: we need the unit support. We won't have any cities, and our support would cripple us. Aqua says: yes, that's the problem we have too.....plus anarchy, which you don't Aqua says: and in war....well, despotism works just fine for now Aqua says: still, being first to republic has some trade value I guess Krill says: we still get two turns, enough to give us a headache. Aqua says: as long as there is someone we are not at war with Aqua says: well, you can get it down to one turn if you switch as soon as you discover the tech Aqua says: but obviously you didn't Aqua says: babs are already in monarchy Aqua says: anyway, as for tech trading, if we form a real alliance it's not an issue for us Aqua says: we would share with our ally Krill says: what is it you would want us to do, as an ally? Aqua says: hmmm Aqua says: our biggest problem is that horde stack Aqua says: babs may be a pain, but not sure how much Aqua says: a few bab horsies aren't going to hurt too much Aqua says: but if you were a threat to the horde, being close to them, so that they would have to move units home for security, that would help Krill says: just so you know, we are weak to you and the Horde, but average to Euphorica and Babylonia. Aqua says: not necessarily attack them, just be a military presence in their area and have a stack or two roaming around Aqua says: well you should build your military again Aqua says: those chariots are cheap and have great utility Krill says: I don't want a GA yet. Aqua says: oh, I assumed you had already had it Aqua says: fighting them off the first time Krill says: bad assumption to make. Aqua says: sorry Aqua says: those WC would have been handy though Krill says: This is not really a secret, but when you poprush, it is often just as easy to rush a horseman as it is a chariot. Krill says: and less wasteful. Krill says: That is not to say we did not use WC and threaten BOH with them. Aqua says: Horse 30, WC 20? Aqua says: I've refused to poprush so far Krill says: there was a point when BOH could have destroyed every spear we had, but the spears were on mountains, and any troops that survived would have been wiped out by WC... Krill says: yep the prices are correct. Aqua says: We had some who wanted to, but in a 10+ shield town you only save one turn by rushing an immortal, and suffer from the pop loss Aqua says: not worth it Krill says: and one labourer = 20 shields, but you need atleast one shield in the box, otherwise the price is double. Aqua says: yep Krill says: yep, that is the problem there. Aqua says: so with a 30 shield Immortal, first turn 10 shields, second turn rush.....would have been finished in 3 anyway Aqua says: same with horsies Aqua says: but at that stage you wouldn't have had any 10 shield towns Krill says: med inf, however, it becomes a whole different ball game... Aqua says: true Krill says: just use workers that you build in worker pumps to replace the lost labourers... Aqua says: yes, and if we get feudalism our Immortals suddenly become a lot more expensive!! Krill says: but this is really metagame stuff. Aqua says: hard to play the metagame when you have 6 towns and 20 units on your border looking for an opening to attack you Krill says: We played it with four towns and that mby swords on our borders... Krill says: many. Aqua says: ah Krill says: BOH were strong in the early game. They went with 10% slider, and churned out the warriors from turn 1. Aqua says: yeh Aqua says: I noticed their first attacks were all warriors Aqua says: talk about strange military strategy Krill says: It works quite well, if you are expansionist. They popped a ton of techs from the goody huts. Aqua says: yes, true Aqua says: tough game this one Krill says: I have another question. What is the name of your town 666 of Inner Sanctum? Krill says: just wondering, as I have all of the other neams, just not that one... Aqua says: Marcopolis? Krill says: that is probably it. Krill says: Krill says: thanks Aqua says: why is it so important to know the names? Krill says: I'm just curiou Krill says: curious Aqua says: anyeway, off to bed Aqua says: it's 1am here, work tomorrow Aqua says: tlak to you later Aqua says: and talk too Krill says: OK, have a good sleep Aqua says: and send the cavalry in Krill says:

	01-07-2005 13:15									#25
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quote: Hello, Aqua, Let me apologize in advance - I think this letter will be a little bit rude and offending. It is not my style but sometimes I'm doing it. First - let me apologize for not answering your email. As I have already explained I'm cut of internet at home. Everything I have done last week for this and all other games I'm involved into was from my workplace (as it is now). Once I leave work I have no access to internet and there far more problems to deal with than to enter internet in the middle of the night from a club and watch over forums and games. I guess you're addressing our message to stay neutral about this conflict. I was asked by 1889 and I have agreed. I do not want to enter war. Even asking (with some troops at our border) the Horde should mean I'm still neutral. I'd not give ultimatums. While Beta (or Scorbism, or anyone else of Babylon) says we have friendly relations with bth our neighbours my intentions are still to survive as most as possible. The start of the game caught us unprepared and we are already a way behind all of you. Just for your information I have tried my best to turn BOH's troops back. I had a lot more conversations with Paddy then before, even while we were at war with them. I have never promised something I could not fulfill and I have always tried to do what you asked from me. So, tell me - if you have sent a large stack of troops into the enemy territory and you were endanged to be attacked from your neighbour on the opposite side, would you withdraw your troops or you could build more and try to defend with them while continuing the attack? I would continue the attack. I wish you best luck surviving the Horde attack. IMO you could have the time to heal and move to Antioch but I may be wrong. Anyway this will be your greatest trial and if you succeed in it you will gain much more than a single win. Once again - I wish you best luck and I really hope we will keep our good relations. Ormuzd --- Aqualung71 wrote: > I presume you realise that you don't do our chances > any good by posting such things in a public forum > > In any case, you haven't responded to our last > email. We are very disappointed at your fence > sitting approach, after having such positive > thoughts from you only a day or two ago.

	01-07-2005 14:36									#26
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I think that we should talk about this again shortly.

Next turn DR will be in the Med era, and if they get lucky and get fued, they will win this war against the TNA.

What I'm not particulary happy about is that I don't trust BOH enough to help us with our war against the babs, if they lose the majority of their stack that is near DR. And with the size of the DR army, that would not suprise me.

Currently, I have been thinking of how we would win a war against BOH. What we would need to do is add workers to TMR, Barrows nest and UU, which should all be using the mined hills and mountains, and Home can get to size 8 and be 20 spt, without a GA.

Start churing out the workers and WC, and a couple of spears to upgrade to pikes. Before we declare war, move settlers and pikes onto hills north of the empire, and build. Rush walls as required, and the pikes will have defence 6.75, and about 5 pikes in BN and two northern towns could easily hold back BOH.

The only problem after that is stopping Babylon from growing to powerful, but if LB threatened from the east, we would stand a good chance against two civs.


The only problem with this is that we would need a while to get everything together. We would need about 20 workers, and it would take us about 20 turns just to get everything in order.

So would it be possible for you to have a look at hte save, if at all possible, and come up with some plans to defend and attack against two civs, and help DR. Because if DR survive this war, then BOH are not going to be as great a threat as we both thought they could be, and we would have a chance of having a powerful ally, and grabbing a hell of a lot of land...

	12-07-2005 02:48									#27
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the deal with DR:

We give them literacy, they give us Monotheism
We research Theology, they - Feudalism

When we want or research Theology we will get republic from DR

When they research Feudalism or want Monarchy we will send it

We are not allowed to trade any of the traded techs with other teams. After this we are allowed to trade with LB and the Horde (the latter is not preferred anyway)

	18-07-2005 13:25									#28
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quote: Sent on 18th July 2005 Krill and ormuzd Morporkians, The Counter-Espionage ministry of the Desolation Row has uncovered and brought to my attention irrefutable evidence that Ankh-Morpork has been selling Desolation Row secrets to one or more of the barbarian clans of the former TNA. This crime is all the more heinous, as we have always been engaged in friendly discussions with yourselves and indeed you expressed your unreserved support for our cause (though were unable to provide military assistance). We demand an explanation. Aqualung the Desolator

	18-07-2005 16:02									#29
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Apart from the screenie of Antioch last turn, what did we sell to the TNA? I honestly can't remember.

	18-07-2005 16:32									#30
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quote: [12:15] Aqua: get my email? [12:16] ormuzd: about treachery and such things? [12:16] ormuzd: or there is another one? [12:17] Aqua: I sent you one email today [12:17] Aqua: do you have an explanantion? [12:17] ormuzd: Ankh-Morporkian Espionage! [12:17] Aqua: yeh that one [12:18] ormuzd: I'd like to know who are your sources [12:18] Aqua: that is irrelevant [12:18] ormuzd: because I have learned that you have used us in your talks with the Horde explaining them we are ready to attack them [12:18] Aqua: information given to one member of TNA is information given to them all [12:19] ormuzd: so, you are sure this is true [12:19] Aqua: indeed we are [12:19] Aqua: so what is your explanation? [12:19] ormuzd: barbarians clans is one of BOH, EU or Babylon? [12:19] Aqua: why would you do this? [12:20] ormuzd: I can't remember when did I do that [12:20] ormuzd: I was even surprised to see we had an embassy with you [12:20] Aqua: it shouldn't be too hard - it was pretty recently [12:20] Aqua: or perhaps there were other instances? [12:20] ormuzd: I need to discuss things with Krill before I could give an answer [12:21] ormuzd: I'm sorry [12:21] Aqua: what si there to discuss? [12:21] Aqua: either you did it or you didn't\ [12:21] ormuzd: I had a birthday 3 days ago and I still can't feel my head [12:21] ormuzd: I know RL issues can't be excuses for civ but this is the sad truth [12:21] ormuzd: so, let's say it - I didn't do that [12:22] Aqua: then discuss it, and please then explain to us why you provided confidential DR information to others....particularly when you have supposedly supported us [12:22] ormuzd: when did we provide this information and what was it? [12:22] ormuzd: and who was the original receiver of the information? [12:22] Aqua: ah, not sure which of your treacheries I have discovered and which remain unknown? [12:23] ormuzd: "selling secrets"? [12:23] Aqua: selling, or providing, whichever [12:23] ormuzd: I think you are mislead [12:23] ormuzd: and judgung us becaue you had a false information [12:23] Aqua: I am sure of my facts [12:23] Aqua: the only team it could possibly be was you [12:24] ormuzd: how can you be sure it is not an attempt to destroy our relations? [12:24] Aqua: because I know the gme mechanics [12:24] ormuzd: ah, becaue we had one warrior at your borders [12:24] ormuzd: but Boh's troops were already infornt of Antioch - they had the information [12:25] ormuzd: and the previous turns our warrior wasn't near your borders [12:25] Aqua: so you gave them information they already had? [12:25] ormuzd: I guess noone has expected there could be troops of yours outside your territories [12:25] ormuzd: I may have acknowledged something which seemed obvious [12:26] Aqua: which was [12:26] Aqua: ? [12:26] ormuzd: that is why I'm asking to give me the "facts" [12:26] ormuzd: telling someone you are in the medievals when they could see it by themselves is not information leaks, not to talk about "secret" [12:27] ormuzd: please, do not try to make confess a guilt I don't have [12:27] Aqua: lol....you think that is the information to which I refer? [12:28] ormuzd: give me the facts and if I could, I'll give an explanation If I could not, I'll contact krill and he will send you the explanation [12:28] ormuzd: no, it was an example [12:28] Aqua: tell me, what terrain set do you use? [12:29] ormuzd: I wasn't very happy when the Khan asked me about the troops which could attack him recently after we ceased fire [12:29] Aqua: what ahs that got to do with anything? [12:29] ormuzd: it was hard to explain at that time [12:30] ormuzd: you have caused troubles to us without warning us or at least informing us [12:30] Aqua: you ceased fire many turns ago...hardly recently [12:30] Aqua: we have? In what way? [12:30] ormuzd: the issue is old, true [12:30] ormuzd: about the tile set - I think it is sn00py's [12:31] Aqua: and the culture borders....the ones with grauated lines? [12:31] ormuzd: no idea, but is pretty common around [12:31] ormuzd: sec [12:31] Aqua: so tell me again....what trouble did we cause you? [12:31] ormuzd: what means grauate? [12:31] Aqua: sorry, I mean graduate [12:32] Aqua: graduated lines marking the borders [12:32] Aqua: like on a ruler [12:32] ormuzd: ah, yes [12:32] Aqua: you use that one? [12:32] ormuzd: that one too, yes [12:32] Aqua: I see [12:33] ormuzd: what has this to do with the problem? [12:33] Aqua: so is there anything you wish to admit to now? [12:33] Aqua: indeed it does [12:33] ormuzd: one more hint? [12:33] Aqua: lol [12:34] Aqua: ok, I'll spell it out for ou [12:34] Aqua: you [12:35] Aqua: Please explain how it is that I have come into the possession of a screenshot the city of Antioch, showing its entire garrison, production queue, labourer allocation, etc, only last turn 1275BC with the Horde military within reach [12:35] ormuzd: someone has sent it to you? [12:36] Aqua: that is not the point....the point is, only you or the LB could have taken it, and since there is an AM warrior clearly displayed that the LB could not have seen, it must have been you [12:36] Aqua: so......your explanation? [12:36] ormuzd: oh, well, the screenshot of Antioch [12:37] Aqua: ah yes, THAT screenshot [12:37] ormuzd: it was with the same tile set I ues and with the borders mod I use [12:37] Aqua: I guess it was [12:37] Aqua: so? [12:37] ormuzd: after you had cease fire with the Horde? [12:37] Aqua: no [12:37] ormuzd: and in the moment you had reaced almost peace treaty? [12:38] ormuzd: and alliance against euhproca? [12:38] ormuzd: the same lsat turn in the same game? [12:38] Aqua: why did you provide such sensitive information to our enemies? [12:38] ormuzd: we had a conversation with moonbars and paddy [12:38] ormuzd: so, we knew the facts [12:38] ormuzd: alright [12:39] Aqua: no, it's not alright [12:39] Aqua: you still haven't told me why you provided this screenshot to our enemies [12:40] ormuzd: I'll explain after I learn who has given you the information [12:40] Aqua: as I said, it is irrelevant [12:40] Aqua: a member of TNA gave it to us [12:40] ormuzd: it is not [12:40] ormuzd: a member of TNA is not enough [12:40] Aqua: why is it not? I presume they share everything [12:40] ormuzd: it is clear it wasn't provided by krill, or me [12:40] ormuzd: or LB [12:41] ormuzd: you'll learn very soon after you tell me the name [12:41] Aqua: mate, we are at war with the other 3.....game mechanics do not allow them to take a screenshot of our lands [12:41] ormuzd: you'll learn the conditions which lead to this [12:41] Aqua: you just said that you, Krill or LB didn't provide it [12:42] ormuzd: so, do you want more information or the "facts" are enough [12:42] Aqua: yet noone else could take it [12:42] ormuzd: I guess there was some propaganda which has forced that person to send you the picture [12:42] ormuzd: I said neithr of us could send it to you [12:43] ormuzd: sorry for this misunderstanding [12:44] Aqua: ah, but who TOOK the picture [12:44] ormuzd: ok, I see there is a lot of suspicion [12:44] ormuzd: I can't understand the reason [12:44] Aqua: well are you surprised? [12:44] Aqua: as I said, it is clear from the facts that the screenie was taken by AM [12:45] ormuzd: I can't reveal information while our partners don't do the sme [12:45] Aqua: I have asked you why you felt the need to disseminate such information to our enemies, and you refused to answer [12:45] ormuzd: yes, it was taken by us [12:45] Aqua: good, thank you [12:45] Aqua: part 2 - why did you give it to TNA? [12:45] ormuzd: I told I'll explain after I know who has provided the picture to you [12:46] ormuzd: the reaon is clear - to destroy our good relations [12:46] ormuzd: hm [12:46] ormuzd: it seems they are destroyed [12:46] ormuzd: so, we need to fix them [12:47] Aqua: that is why I sent you the email - to give you an opportunity to provide an explanation, since we previously thought of you as friends [12:47] ormuzd: good [12:47] ormuzd: what is the problem to tell me who has sent you the screenshot? [12:47] Aqua: but we don't know why a friend would do this? [12:47] ormuzd: just think about it [12:47] ormuzd: the alliance is no more [12:48] Aqua: because telling you who sent the screenshot to us does not change your motivation for sending it in the first place [12:48] Aqua: all it does is give you someone to blame for leaking the information [12:48] ormuzd: it is impossible to be owned by both the Horde and Euphorica [12:48] Aqua: so it is irrelevant to the issue we ahve with you [12:48] ormuzd: I think the Horde are in war with babylon now [12:48] ormuzd: alright [12:49] Aqua: we have know idea about that [12:49] Aqua: no idea [12:50] ormuzd: are there any circumstances which would motivate you to give me that name? [12:50] ormuzd: oh, you have and I'm very sure [12:51] Aqua: think about it - knowing the number and strength of units in antioch....that information could have been catastrophic for us [12:51] ormuzd: provided in the right time - yes [12:52] Aqua: actually no, we honestly have no idea whether BOH are at war with Babylon....we know their attitude, but not their actions as yet [12:53] Aqua: so then, are you going to tell us or must we conclude that you are no longer our friends for revealing highly sensitive information? [12:53] ormuzd: yes, I'd like to explain [12:54] ormuzd: but in all our talks you have been asking so much more and gained everytime more information than revealed [12:54] Aqua: oh? [12:54] ormuzd: this is skilll which I obviously lack [12:54] Aqua: what ahve you asked of us that we have not provided? [12:54] ormuzd: but we don't have skilled diplomats, so, we will play it like this [12:54] Aqua: and remember....it is us who have been in the firing line the most this game [12:55] ormuzd: so, I told you I'll explain [12:55] Aqua: ok then... [12:55] ormuzd: I want to know before this who has sent you the screenshot [12:56] Aqua: as I explained....it is irrelevant to the charges laid [12:56] ormuzd: just to have another little friendly chat with that person or that person's team [12:56] ormuzd: so, if it irrelevant then I'll tell you this [12:56] ormuzd: I have made the sceenshot becaue we had an agreement with one of the teams [12:56] Aqua: ok [12:57] ormuzd: and I like to keep on my word [12:57] Aqua: an agreement to spy on us? [12:57] ormuzd: sorry, I can't reveal more information [12:57] Aqua: this is worse than I though [12:57] ormuzd: because it seems you wanted to know my motivation [12:57] Aqua: thought [12:57] ormuzd: and everything is irrelevant [12:57] ormuzd: do you know how many screenshots did we make? [12:58] ormuzd: do you know when were we asked to do them and we did them actually? [12:58] ormuzd: is this irrelevant? [12:58] ormuzd: is it important? [12:58] Aqua: look at it this way....if you provided me with some information that upset somebody else, you would trust me more if I did not reveal my sources, correct? [12:59] ormuzd: giving this information makes the peron untrustworthy [12:59] ormuzd: neither for you, nor for me [12:59] Aqua: I do not wish to be regarded aas untrustworthy [13:00] ormuzd: don't you want to put him in isolation and behave morereserved with him? [13:00] Aqua: you will note, we do not engage in lies and abuse in the threads. When DR says something, DR stands by its word and acts accordingly [13:00] ormuzd: alright, as you wish [13:00] ormuzd: and we promise something, we are doing it [13:00] Aqua: mate, you're the one who is threatening to go into isolation - you have betrayed us by providing this information [13:01] Aqua: it is as if you were the 4th silent partner in TNA [13:01] ormuzd: this is the reason I don't promise often [13:01] Aqua: and after appearing so friendly towards us, you "agree" to spy on us for TNA or one of its members? [13:01] Aqua: what sort of a friend is that? [13:01] ormuzd: didn't we give you information about euphorica's troops earlier? [13:02] ormuzd: was it "after"? [13:02] Aqua: nothing we couldn't already see [13:02] ormuzd: has your source revelaed our agreement? [13:02] Aqua: but yes, I do recall you telling us something [13:02] Aqua: perhaps [13:02] ormuzd: or probably he doesn't know because he is not part of that team? [13:02] Aqua: how would I know? [13:03] Aqua: I don't know who you gave it to, only who sent it to us [13:03] ormuzd: there is a way [13:03] ormuzd: I know who was the recipient [13:03] ormuzd: and who was the agreement partner [13:03] Aqua: anyway, I am not really interested in who you gave it to.....I want to know why [13:04] Aqua: because right now let me tell you, I'm thinking you were on the TNA list to destroy us too [13:04] ormuzd: let me guess - it was snoopy [13:04] ormuzd: we have declared several times we don't want your destruction [13:05] ormuzd: we have traded techs with you and we kept your monopol over the currency [13:05] Aqua: then why would you agree to give vital information obout troop strength and number INSIDE A TOWN to our enemies? [13:05] ormuzd: if we wanted to lie and trick you we could have provided the currency to everyone else [13:05] ormuzd: and you would face MI and pikes instead of swords and spears [13:06] Aqua: yes, I have noticed and I do appreciate that....it is one mark in your favour [13:06] ormuzd: I can't ive you information about our deals [13:06] Aqua: I'm not asking for that [13:06] ormuzd: I only try to prove that we were never a part of TNA [13:06] Aqua: I'm asking why you would betray us when we offered to be your friend [13:06] ormuzd: and we never wanted to see you destroyed [13:06] Aqua: and you seemed to want that too [13:07] ormuzd: Aqua, on this turn you may put all troops in Antioch [13:07] ormuzd: and the information will be misleading [13:08] Aqua: that's not the point - look at the screenshot, there were 20 horde troops within reach! [13:08] ormuzd: one investigation doesn't reveal anything [13:08] Aqua: it reveals enough [13:08] ormuzd: it could if you were attacked at several positions [13:08] Aqua: with that information the Horde could have easily calculated the strength they would need to take the city and made the decision to attack or not to attack [13:09] ormuzd: but they didn't [13:10] Aqua: but that's not the point and you know it [13:10] Aqua: as a defender with 3 teams attacking us, the only thing we had going for us was their uncertainty over how many units we had, and where they were [13:10] Aqua: you cleared up that uncertainty in one simple move! [13:10] Aqua: it could have been catastrophic for us [13:11] ormuzd: it could but it wsn't [13:11] ormuzd: this allowed us to fulfill our promise and don't harm you [13:12] Aqua: do not joke over such a major issue [13:12] ormuzd: I do not [13:12] Aqua: you saying that it didn't harm us with the benefit of hindsight is a ludicrous statement [13:12] Aqua: the fact is, it could have [13:12] ormuzd: we had to provide this information many turns ago [13:12] Aqua: it could have ended us [13:12] ormuzd: ahy do you think we havedelayed it? [13:12] Aqua: and you would have been largely responsible [13:13] Aqua: oh, so you chose the moment when the horde were outside our city to give away the most vital information you could possibly posses? [13:13] Aqua: in any case, if you claimed to be friendly with us, why would you agree to give away such info to our enemies ? [13:13] ormuzd: the moment when you had cease fire agreement [13:14] Aqua: you gave this to whom? [13:14] ormuzd: we weren't involved in his conflict at the time we promised [13:14] Aqua: Horde, Babs or Euphorica? [13:14] Aqua: seems Euphorica, since you mentioned Snoopy [13:17] ormuzd: snoopy because: they have suffered the greatest losses they are facing the two strongest civs they are going to die - something they wanted for you [13:18] Aqua: and so that's why you gave it to them> [13:18] ormuzd: so, with one word, desperate with the personal notes he is doing, I think he could be the one who is trying to bring the suspicion between the others and ruin their game after his team is eliminated [13:18] ormuzd: to them? [13:19] ormuzd: hehe, don't provoke me [13:19] Aqua: yes, you just said you gave it to Snoopy, for all those reasons [13:19] Aqua: them = Euphorica [13:19] ormuzd: saying yes gives you the correct answer saying no leaves to choose between two choices [13:19] Aqua: so when you said "snooy, because" you weren't necessarily telling the truth? [13:20] ormuzd: I said Snoopy seems seems as number 1 in my guess list [13:20] Aqua: geez, how does one get a straight answer out of you guys? [13:20] ormuzd: it was my opinion who would give you this information [13:20] ormuzd: with giving us straight answers too [13:20] Aqua: well he can only give it if he has it in the first place [13:20] Aqua: you have said it is impossible for him to get it from th eHorde [13:21] ormuzd: I'm thinking from the point everyone in those three teams has the information [13:21] Aqua: so then back to my question...why did you betray us? [13:21] ormuzd: if the Horde doesn't have it, you were safe [13:21] ormuzd: [13:21] ormuzd: this what I'm trying to tell you [13:21] ormuzd: it was a gamble but you were not betrayed [13:22] Aqua: mate, where our future is at stake, I'd prefer WE took the gambles, not YOU.....understand? [13:22] ormuzd: if it is up to you you would use several nukes and win the game [13:23] Aqua: you think? [13:23] Aqua: and who has been the aggressors in this game? [13:23] Aqua: do you see a single DR unit besides exploring Warriors outside our borders? [13:23] Aqua: gimme a break! [13:25] Aqua: ok, so let me ask you again......do you wish to try to repair the damage you have done to our relationship and provide us with an explanation as to why you would give this information to our enemies, or are you content to know that we no longer trust you or regard you as a friend for this action? [13:26] ormuzd: I'm enjoying their atempts - they have gained nothing [13:26] ormuzd: and they will loose even more if they continue with their wars against greater numbers of opponents [13:27] Aqua: they? [13:27] ormuzd: the Horde [13:27] Aqua: you didn't answer me [13:27] ormuzd: my lunch break is already over [13:27] Aqua: then it seems I have my answer [13:27] ormuzd: and it seems I'll be nhungry for the rest of the day [13:28] Aqua: we are saddened that AM do not wish to be our friends [13:29] ormuzd: your last sentence sounded just like: - give us that technology accepted or we are starting a war - move your warrior in the that direction or we start a war [13:29] ormuzd: what explanation do you expect? [13:29] ormuzd: you expect to hear what you want at least [13:30] ormuzd: I told you - we were not involved in that pact [13:30] Aqua: no, DR do not deliver ultimatums, nor do we make threats. We do however take a measured approach and careful note of everything that happens [13:30] Aqua: as I said, I simply want to know why you put us at such risk like that [13:30] ormuzd: we were surprised by the attack of euphorica, after this of he Horde and the last and the most - by Babylon [13:31] ormuzd: ok, probably last attempt