21-04-2005 19:55									#31
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Upon further inspection, Gibson seems to have been born in New York and lived in America until he was 12. Interesting...

	21-04-2005 20:14									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Actually, I'd probably agree. What Robespierre accomplished was very difficult, incurred a lot of personal danger, including his death, and it's affect in the modern age leaves France as a democratic and free nation. Yes, about a thousand people died by guillotine to enforce it, but that wasn't largely due to Robespierre - many of the executions happened after he lost control of the committees and led to him being executed. He wasn't as much of the extremist as people believe. I'd have put him higher.

	22-04-2005 00:45									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Eleanor Roosevelt - Franklin D. Roosevelt - Theodore Roosevelt - Babe Ruth - Carl Sagan - Jonas Salk - Arnold Schwarzenegger - Austrian and Frank Sinatra - Joseph Smith Jr. - WTF Utah? Steven Spielberg - Jimmy Stewart - Martha Stewart - WTF? Nikola Tesla - wasn't he Russian Pat Tillman - WTF? Harry Truman - Donald Trump - WTF? Harriet Tubman - Mark Twain - Sam Walton - George Washington - The Duke - Oprah Winfrey - Tiger Woods - The Wright Brothers - Chuck Yeager -

what's wrong with Utah.

	22-04-2005 00:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by centrifuge Just wondering when the rest of the world (and a good portion of America) are going to understand that this country was built by immigration. Not born here does not mean not American. ...Original topic --> by and large this list sucks!!! Where the Bleepity bleeping bleep bleep is Bob Dylan?!!!!!!

Bob Dylan.

	22-04-2005 01:02									#35
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What a travesty. A blind, deaf communist hag makes it in, but not Rickey Henderson (or Bob Dylan, for that matter).

	22-04-2005 01:13									#36
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For the life of me, I have no idea how Barack Obama and Ellen Degenerate made the nominee list.

	22-04-2005 01:20									#37
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Degenerate?

You're so mature...

	22-04-2005 01:26									#38
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Oh dear. If maturity is your concern, I wonder how you've been able to keep silent during e.g. the tonnes of Pope "humour" we've had in the past weeks.

	22-04-2005 01:31									#39
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Are you baiting me?

Sorry, I'm not up for it.

	22-04-2005 01:37									#40
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No, I just thought your post was a strange one, all things considered.

Your second post OTOH, was brilliant in avoiding the point I raised.

	22-04-2005 01:55									#41
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This list, by and large, is complete crap. I have no idea how more than half of the people got onto it, and my only theory is that the makers of the list accepted bribes.

	22-04-2005 01:57									#42
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Oh, and

quote: Originally posted by Ned For the life of me, I have no idea how Barack Obama and Ellen Degenerate made the nominee list.

I find it telling that you picked those two out of a list of at least thirty people who were undeserving. Hopefully, a time will come when you eat your words.

	22-04-2005 02:03									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ned For the life of me, I have no idea how Barack Obama and Ellen Degenerate made the nominee list.

Do you have something against her because she's gay? . I think she's pretty funny.

	22-04-2005 02:08									#44
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She's gay? That might go a ways in explaining it then.

	22-04-2005 02:09									#45
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yeah only homophobic republicans call her degenerate. People were so upset when she "came out" on her tv show.

Some people just can't accept people for who they are.

the only reason to call her degenerate is because she's gay. She hasn't had any big scandals. She's never been arrested. She's not into child porn or porn of any nature that I know of.

	22-04-2005 02:15									#46
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I've never seen or heard her, but everytime I see her name, I think degenerate.

And just so there's no mistake, I meant her being gay might explain why she was put on the list...

	22-04-2005 02:16									#47
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She's also a woman with money and sway. Don't forget how degenerate that is.

	22-04-2005 02:17									#48
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Buzz Armstrong, Lance Armstrong, Maya Angelou
Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, George Washington Carver
Aha! Only two pages and already Arkansas has made its quota (2 out of 100).
but, exclusion of Johnny Cash:
if ELLEN DEGENERES can get on the list, Johnny Cash should be number 1

Douglass, Edwards, Eisenhower
but Einstien is Swiss!
Ben Franklin and John Glenn
Bob Hope, Thomas Jefferson, Helen Keller
3 Kennedys, MLK Jr, and Abraham Lincoln all on the same page. Well, whatever it takes to balance out Limbaugh...

Where the hell is MacArthur?

What the hell are Dr. Phil and Nixon doing on this list?
Patton, Parks, Jesse Owens.
So long as I include Jesse Owens I might as well include Muhammed Ali with a . Sports figures like Owens and Ali deserve eligibility because their interaction with the fans is not all centered on sports.
3 Roosevelts and Babe Ruth
Salk, Tesla, and Truman
Washington, Walton, and Twain

Who the hell do they think they are, letting Orville and Wilbur share a space? I think they should get their own separate spaces. We can bump off Nixon to do it.

EDIT: Oh, and I skipped s for Cesar Chavez and Hillary Clinton, so:

Hillary Clinton
Cesar Chavez

	22-04-2005 02:18									#49
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I'm not sure that Tesla ever naturalized. Does anyone know?

	22-04-2005 02:21									#50
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Buzz Armstrong?? Was he the secret cameraman?

I miss people like Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, Irving Berlin. George Gershwin etc. on the list.

	22-04-2005 02:52									#51
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Nixon certainly is not on the list because he was a great president. He is there because of is bad behavior, etc. Notoriety.

I suspect Ellen D. is a heroine to some for her parading about, but she is on that list for the same reason as is Nixon.

The list is wierd in that respect. Most of the people are on the list because they did great things in their lifetimes. It is remarkable that the list would also include Nixon and Ellen.

Oh, wait. I also see that Bill and Hillary are on the list as well.

	22-04-2005 02:53									#52
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What about the leading thinkers of the American Revolution: Madison, Monroe, Mason, and Franklin? How about Sam Adams? Jeez, he's the proximate cause of the American revolution.

	22-04-2005 02:52									#53
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What about the leading thinkers of the American Revolution: Madison, Monroe, Mason, and Franklin? How about Sam Adams? Jeez, he's the proximate cause of the American revolution.

	22-04-2005 03:04									#54
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As far as northwest Alabama goes...

Jesse Owens
Helen Keller

	22-04-2005 03:25									#55
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Dr. Strangelove, I totally agree. The people who put this list together have a very misleading title. It is a list of the most notorious Americans, not the Greatest Americans. If Barack Obama or Ellen the Parader win, AOL would be a laughingstock.

	22-04-2005 04:08									#56
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Lance Armstrong is a 'notorious' American, Ned?

	22-04-2005 04:11									#57
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Imran, it includes both the famous and the infamous. It is not a list of the "Greatest."

	22-04-2005 04:13									#58
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But you said most 'It is a list of the most notorious Americans' .

	22-04-2005 04:24									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But you said most 'It is a list of the most notorious Americans' .

Well, Imran, you can nitpick with the best of them.

	22-04-2005 04:43									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Lance Armstrong is a 'notorious' American, Ned?

I think he uses steroids