19-04-2005 17:05									#1
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http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

The order isn't revealed yet. However, the list has, among others, Ellen Degeneres, Barbara Bush, Barack Obama, Dr. Phil and Pat Tillman. Oh, America!

	19-04-2005 17:08									#2
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Ronald Reagan is in.

All is well.

	19-04-2005 17:09									#3
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Bah, we recently had such a show in France, and the list included Coluche or Cousteau. Napoleon didn't even make it to the top 10 (fortunately, current celebrities didn't either )

Edit: well, current celebrities made it to the top 100 however. People such as
Brigitte Bardot (mostly known for showing her nice ass on TV in the 60ies),
Dalida (An Egyptian pop singer of the past),
Michel Platini (almost got us to win the football world cup in the 80ies), or
Daniel Balavoine (middle-of-the-road singer who died young) are next to Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, or Voltaire.

My personal favorite remains Jacques Chirac, who manages a whooping #42

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	19-04-2005 17:14									#4
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Dammit, I see our votes for Ted Striker were in vain. I demand a recount!

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quote: Dammit, I see our votes for Ted Striker were in vain. I demand a recount!

They probably recognize voting campaigns, otherwise we'd probably have seen Howard Stern and Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka in there.

...Lowtax would have deserved a nomination more than like 33% of the current candidates, too...

	19-04-2005 17:24									#6
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Einstein, Mel Gibson???

Anyone else wanting Wacko Jacko to win too?

	19-04-2005 17:28									#7
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quote: Edit: well, current celebrities made it to the top 100 however.

Where does Serge Gainsbourg stand?

	19-04-2005 17:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II Where does Serge Gainsbourg stand?

#20

Here'ss the list

	19-04-2005 17:45									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II quote: Edit: well, current celebrities made it to the top 100 however. Where does Serge Gainsbourg stand?

At a 45 degree angle, next to the nearest bar.


Serge Gainsbourg and the Marseillaise, reggae style

	19-04-2005 17:47									#10
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That list is totally incomplete!

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	19-04-2005 18:01									#11
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Yeah, the list is incomplete. The British voted him greatest American of all time, how come he's not even in the top 100 of the Americans?

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What a fantastic list. Jed Bush must be feeling left out. Mom, Dad, bro and even sister-in-law got a place. Is that one of the greatest achievements in America, being married to a President?

Not many artists / writers / jazz musicians.

Quite a few non-Americans (Gibson? Why not Rupert Murdoch? Einstein? Tesla? Schwarzenegger? Why not Greg Norman? he lives in America. John Cleese lives in America, put him in.

No Johnny Carson, no Martha Stewart, no Sara Michelle Gellar, no Star Trek people at all, who voted for this list

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom At a 45 degree angle, next to the nearest bar. Serge Gainsbourg and the Marseillaise, reggae style

et cetera....

	21-04-2005 13:51									#15
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quote: 72 : ROBESPIERRE

.... beats Sartre, Monet and Baudelaire?

The Pimpernel must be rolling in his grave

	21-04-2005 15:05									#16
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I'm surprised how many current politicians made that list.

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That aspect is very un-European.

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I like how, nestled in between Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln, is Rush Limbaugh.


I also like how Einstein, Edison, and Eisenhower share a page with Tom Cruise and Ellen Degeneres.

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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed I'm surprised how many current politicians made that list.

Given the presence of Rush Limbaugh, the Mrses Bushes (is that a Hedge of first ladies?) etc how come that Lieutenant-General of Florida did not make it, who "helped" with the "count" in 2000.

	21-04-2005 15:46									#20
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these lists just make you want to pull all your hair out. I refuse to look at it.

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They have both Bush's, Clinton's, Kennedy's and Roosevelt's wives in, but not the majority of people who were actually president. That's a bit messed up. Not to mention having Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. Political commentary now makes you great?

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I have a lot of mixed feelings about FDR. He wasn't a very compassionate president. But perhaps he was a realist. He knew that he had no chance of stopping the lynchings in the south. And then the jews...

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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II quote: 72 : ROBESPIERRE .... beats Sartre, Monet and Baudelaire? The Pimpernel must be rolling in his grave

Actually, I'd probably agree. What Robespierre accomplished was very difficult, incurred a lot of personal danger, including his death, and it's affect in the modern age leaves France as a democratic and free nation. Yes, about a thousand people died by guillotine to enforce it, but that wasn't largely due to Robespierre - many of the executions happened after he lost control of the committees and led to him being executed. He wasn't as much of the extremist as people believe. I'd have put him higher.

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quote: I also like how Einstein, Edison, and Eisenhower share a page with Tom Cruise and Ellen Degeneres.

And Eastwood...

But where the **** is Jack Nicklaus?!

	21-04-2005 19:25									#25
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Muhammad Ali -
Maya Angelou -
Susan B. Anthony -
Neil Armstrong -
Lance Armstrong -
Lucille Ball -
Alexander Graham Bell - (if he's actually American and not Scottish or Canadian or something)
Barabara Bush - WTF?
George H.W. Bush -
George W. Bush -
Laura Bush - WTF?
Andrew Carnegie -
Johnny Carson -
Jimmy Carter -
George Washington Carver -
Ray Charles -
Cesar Chavez -
Hillary Clinton - WTF?
Bill Clinton -
Bill Cosby -
Tom Cruise -
Ellen DeGeneres - WTF?
Walt Disney -
Frederick Douglass -
Amelia Earhart -

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Clint Eastwood -
Thomas Edison -
John Edwards - WTF?
Albert Einstein - not that American, but
Dwight D. Eisenhower -
Brett Favre - WTF Wisconsin?
Henry Ford -
Benjamin Franklin -
Bill Gates -
Mel Gibson - is Australian
Rudy Giuliani -
John Glenn -
Billy Graham -
Alexander Hamilton -
Tom Hanks -
Hugh Hefner - WTF?
Katherine Hepburn -
Bob Hope -
Howard Hughes -
Michael Jackson -
Thomas Jefferson -
Steve Jobs -
Lyndon Johnson -
Michael Jordan -
Helen Keller - WTF?
Jonh F. Kennedy -
Robert Kennedy -
Jacqueline Onassis -
Martin Luther King Jr. -
Rush Limbaugh - WTF?

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Abraham Lincoln -
Charles Lindbergh -
George Lucas - WTF?
Madonna -
Malcolm X -
Dr. Phil - WTF?
Marilyn Monroe -
Michael Moore - WTF?
Audie Murphy -
Richard Nixon -
Barrack Obama - WTF?
Jesse Owens -
Rosa Parks -
George Patton -
Colin Powell -
Elvis Presley -
Ronald Reagan -
Christopher Reeve - WTF?
Condeleeza Rice -
Jackie Robinson -

	21-04-2005 19:27									#28
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Eleanor Roosevelt -
Franklin D. Roosevelt -
Theodore Roosevelt -
Babe Ruth -
Carl Sagan -
Jonas Salk -
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Austrian and
Frank Sinatra -
Joseph Smith Jr. - WTF Utah?
Steven Spielberg -
Jimmy Stewart -
Martha Stewart - WTF?
Nikola Tesla - wasn't he Russian
Pat Tillman - WTF?
Harry Truman -
Donald Trump - WTF?
Harriet Tubman -
Mark Twain -
Sam Walton -
George Washington -
The Duke -
Oprah Winfrey -
Tiger Woods -
The Wright Brothers -
Chuck Yeager -

	21-04-2005 19:38									#29
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who came up with this list?

JM

	21-04-2005 19:51									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Laertes Quite a few non-Americans (Gibson? Why not Rupert Murdoch? Einstein? Tesla? Schwarzenegger? Why not Greg Norman? he lives in America. John Cleese lives in America, put him in.

Just wondering when the rest of the world (and a good portion of America) are going to understand that this country was built by immigration. Not born here does not mean not American.


...Original topic --> by and large this list sucks!!! Where the Bleepity bleeping bleep bleep is Bob Dylan?!!!!!!