19-04-2005 17:54									#1
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It was 10 years ago today that a massive truck bomb was set off in front of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. The terror attack forever altered the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of others.

I hope in the 10 years since, the ones who were most directly affected, the wounded and the families of the victims, have somehow found ways of coping with their loss, and managed to gradually move on with their lives.

But understanding or even trying to explain why this had to happen is a different matter, as with all acts of terror.

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	19-04-2005 23:56									#4
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rip

I'm not saying he had justification, but the goverment needs to think twice about using excessive force with its law agencies. Waco wasn't too bad, but Ruby Ridge was just a travesty.

	20-04-2005 01:47									#5
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So incredibly sad. And the poor children who died.

So many mass killers are just wacked out nut jobs like Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer. They need to be locked up forever to protect the rest of us, but they're not evil -- they're just crazy.

But in Oklahoma City, there was a conscious, rational decision to murder scores and scores of innocent people for a "higher purpose". That is true evil.

	20-04-2005 02:50									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident rip I'm not saying he had justification, but the goverment needs to think twice about using excessive force with its law agencies. Waco wasn't too bad, but Ruby Ridge was just a travesty.

Eh. Those people were resisting arrest. We should crush those nuts in one final blow.

	20-04-2005 02:57									#7
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Let's not forget they WERE in Oklahoma. I'd take death over that existence any day.

	20-04-2005 03:33									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Eh. Those people were resisting arrest. We should crush those nuts in one final blow.

not Ruby Ridge. The cops fired first (true it was at a dog, but there was no reason to kill the dog)

	20-04-2005 03:47									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident not Ruby Ridge. The cops fired first (true it was at a dog, but there was no reason to kill the dog)

Those people were nuts. It was all their fault.

	20-04-2005 04:45									#10
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Do some of you guys believe that what happened at ruby ridge was ok?? For gods sake they were a white supermisct group making an army. Whos to say who else would have died had they succeded in doing this. Tim mcveigh was a ****ing moron. The folks in waco had been given many opportunties to come out and talk. The idot koresh is responsible for their deaths.

	20-04-2005 12:32									#11
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They weren't making an army. They were just a family. The cops shot the dog. In then a firefight ensued, and the U.S. Marshall shot the guys son.

And then FBI snipers just starting picking people off. Including a woman holding a baby.

That's a gross abuse of power. Maybe you guys want to live in a police state, but I don't.

They weren't building an army. They just happened to be members of the aryan nations. Actually they may have not been members, but they did attend a meeting.

Their only crime was selling the FBI 2 shotguns illegally. And he missed the court date because of an incorrect date on the summons.

They weren't building an army, and Weaver was acquitted on all but one charge.

from wikipedia:

quote: Weaver was acquitted of all charges except missing his original court date

	20-04-2005 12:39									#12
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that is bullshit and you know it. What they were doing was not right. gun toting men offing to go and kill all the blacks and mexicans

	20-04-2005 14:33									#13
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Maybe we could all agree on remembering the victims of Oklahoma City, then.

	20-04-2005 17:03									#14
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This is also the anniversery of the fire at Waco and Hitler's birthday. Both of these were reasons McVey and friends picked this day to strike.

I remember this morning well. I was living in an apartment with Theben and Bunnygrrl, getting ready to go to the computer lab where I worked. I flipped on the tv for some reason, and there is was, a wreck of a building. My immediate thought was, "Crap, the white supremicists have escalated their terrorism."

At work, it was, of course, the talk all around, and everyone else is like, "Those damn Arabs! It was the Arabs! We gotta get them Arabs!" I'm like, "Why would the Arabs strike OKC? I doubt they even know where the city is. Besides, it's not high enough profile for them. They want internationally known targets, like DC and NYC, not some hick city in the middle of nowhere. It was the white supremicists." "No way! You are so wrong!" Even the news was quick to blame Arabs.

This is what comes of not knowing your own history or even your own country.

	20-04-2005 17:11									#15
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Now that you mention knowledge of history, the bombing was on the morning of 19 April, while Adolf Hitler's birthday is 20 April.

McVeigh.

	20-04-2005 17:16									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Winston It was 10 years ago today that a massive truck bomb was set off in front of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. The terror attack forever altered the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of others. I hope in the 10 years since, the ones who were most directly affected, the wounded and the families of the victims, have somehow found ways of coping with their loss, and managed to gradually move on with their lives. But understanding or even trying to explain why this had to happen is a different matter, as with all acts of terror. ...

Dude, your a Dane. WTF.

	20-04-2005 17:19									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Now that you mention knowledge of history, the bombing was on the morning of 19 April, while Adolf Hitler's birthday is 20 April. McVeigh.

Yep, he was off by a day.

	20-04-2005 19:01									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Maybe you guys want to live in a police state, but I don't.

I don't want to live in a society where these right wing crack pots go around blowing up buildings either. These wackos start challenging the authorities like that and they deserve what's coming to them. Of course it was a horrible event, but it's the right wing wacko's fault.

	20-04-2005 19:05									#19
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Start a seperate thread about RR, 'kay?

	20-04-2005 19:08									#20
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Che,

I think RR is very related to the Oklahoma bombing but if you want we can all post a sad face and let the thread die.

	20-04-2005 23:28									#21
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yep RR was one of the causes of Oklahoma City. Along with Waco.

I won't back down from this. The goverment was dead wrong. The FBI is out of control, and the ATF needs to be disbanded.

I don't advocate direct terrorism where people die, but I do advocate civil disobedience to protest these goverment actions.