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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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Originally posted by Aeson
I apologize for assuming you would then.
If 2 of the other teams in the C3C IDG tried to share victory, as the only way they felt they could beat Apolyton (or whoever), would you accept that as a victory?
(For now assume there is no explicit ruling against it.) |
With no explicit ruling, I would call it cheesy, but I would ultimately accept it. I would also mention that it would be rather odd that in a game explicity made to prove which was the best civ site in the world two sites would choose to win together and thus not prove anything.
I some other way I'd feel also a bit honored. That two teams had to gang up to beat us. Which would prove to me that one team alone couldn't have done it and hence, in my eyes, we were in practice, just as good as they were.
You know, me of all people, would like to prove that I'm better than GWT because of what happened in the ISDG because I was left with the impression that we could have done so much more in that game if we had been given a better start and a better continent. But I also felt that the place to prove that would be in another ISDG, be it C3C or Civ4. This PTWDG would have proved nothing in my eyes and hence my willingness to share our victories.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:34
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I never said a single word against GS until the NAP. And I still stand by my stance that you broke it in spirit. You knew our plans, you purposely blocked our path, you were warned continuing to do so would be seen as an act of aggression in violation of the NAP, you continued to do it, and you sent a written declaration of war to our ally, who you KNEW we were allied with in the war. If that is not breaking it, I don't know what is.
I came out in support of you when everyone was *****ing about you being elitist. I didn't care about you being the Strat forum gurus. I didn't care that you would deny members, or at the least encourage them joining other teams. I said so publicly. I came out in support of you during and after Vox. I made it a POINT never to say anything bad, and to say when I agreed with you.
Yes, there were friendly things mentioned. Go back and look. They may have been drowned out. |
How about the 'you get whatever cities you can get, however you get them' chat?
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Krill
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On a cold wet rock, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
Dec 2003
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by NYE
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Originally posted by MZ
As to whether "two teams knew it was possible, and everyone else played on under another set of assumptions." honestly I think that's a weak argument.
Every team had to play under the assumption that X and Y teams could possibly be allied against them. It changes nothing that the two last standing teams simply decide to not fight and share the victory.
I still have not heard a shred of conclusive evidence that this game would have been any difference from a shared victory or a "ally until we destroy everyone else and then duke it out among ourselves" which apparently would have been a valid strategy as far as most arguments here are concerned. |
How about, GoW would have been wiped out, and not Lego? |
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Originally posted by MZ
I find it rather ironic that despite now being accused as the epitome of cheese, GoW actually voted against most of the exploits which Lego and GS were adamantly in favor, particularly that borderline-cheating tactic which is F1/City Arrows (which IIRC has been banned from every other demogame).
GS and Lego's excuse: that it permits a broader array of strategies like hiding builds and last-minute changes, etc.
Of course, since both actively wanted to use such a trick to cover up wonder builds it was... well... not deemed "cheese", it was deemed "strategy" |
That last post is fairly b!tchy in my opinion...but yes, I do agree that it would be for the best if we all dropped these points
Last edited by Krill on 12-06-2005 at 20:00
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Krill
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On a cold wet rock, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
Dec 2003
time: 05:34
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H_E, all of not youeithers' post prior to the final post are perfectly acceptable. I do agree that the last post was unacceptable, however, but maybe you and MZ will understand that there are some of us who care for the game, not because there is money involved, but because of our love of the game. Have someone tell you that a game, which you poured two years of your life into, is unimportant, and many will find it insulting.
Look at what Vondrack wrote when GS broke though the blockade. "It drives one almost to tears - the whole 2-year game now looks so very absurd to us."
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All I ask is for everybody, from all teams, to please refrain from insults, mudslinging and any more debates on the merits of shared victory. We have talked about, debated, as well as argued about it enough, as MZ posted yesterday (or was it the day before?).
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Krill
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On a cold wet rock, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
Dec 2003
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Krill
H_E, all of notyoueithers' post prior to the final post are perfectly acceptable. I do agree that the last post was unacceptable, however, but maybe you and MZ will understand that there are some of us who care for the game, not because there is money involved, but because of our love of the game. Have someone tell you that a game, which you poured two years of your life into, is unimportant, and many will find it insulting. |
I do not condone NYEs' personal attacks, nor are they necessary. And please put NYE on your ignore list, as hopefully it will lead to the beginning of a cool down, for both of you. (edit: what Vondrack said)
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Again, as Aeson has already pointed out, you are putting words into other peoples mouths.
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Saying that all these years were wasted just because some team lost is to defeat the entire purpose of what this demogame was meant for: to learn, to experiment, and to have fun. |
I have not said that the time spent on this game was wasted, and I do not think that, either. When I joined GS in March 2004, I was barely able to hold my own on emperor, C3C, but know I can beat it via OCC easily. I have made new friends, and that is something that I have had difficulty doing for most of my life. I have enjoyed myself, and will continue to do so so long as this b!tchyness does not get out of hand. I am willing to forgive and forget this incident, MZ, so long as we can agree to drop it.
Are you willing to forgive, and forget?
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