20-04-2005 06:50									#1
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quote: 3 - A long time ago we vowed to ourselves to avenge Vox's defeat in their war against GS. See, Vox had that kinda something that neither Spain nor Lego had in defeat. It wasn't pity, it wasn't compasion, it was laughter. You made us laugh in your cockyness, you made us laugh is your tragedy. You became that team that we knew would never betray us, not even when the survival of your protector was at stake. You know what would have happened had Voxian troops attacked ours at Stanwix? We would have lost that war. We are eternaly grateful and pledge to return your homeland as soon as possible. Just forgive us though if the radiation at Elipolis makes it a bit uninhabitable for the next, oh, 500 years or so.

This amuses me quite a bit considering the reason we didn't "help save Lego" was that Lego didn't want our help so they didn't have to protect us too.

In any case I suggest we continue to throw our weight covertly behind GoW. Outside of Lego, they've been the most honest team with us and they're by far our best ally now. We don't necessarily have to get into the war and jeopardize our relationship with GS, but we've played it officially neutral before and came out well.

	20-04-2005 07:26									#2
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just read it, seems exciting, also seems like we are safe on that front (at least from GoW)

now that doesn't get us a win, so we should still look for advantage (maybe if everyone else is nuked??)

so yah, loook for advantage, but don't give GoW reason to get upset at us....

Jon Miller

	23-04-2005 02:55									#3
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But it is kind of nice to read. I think despite some early unpleasantness, we have come through this game with our honour (sort of), obviously our sense of humour, and our good gamesmanship in tact.

And I am still not ruling out a real outside shot at this thing. Eventually it will come down to two powerful civs left, and they will have to face off against each other .....

	23-04-2005 03:16									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Beta But it is kind of nice to read. I think despite some early unpleasantness, we have come through this game with our honour (sort of), obviously our sense of humour, and our good gamesmanship in tact. And I am still not ruling out a real outside shot at this thing. Eventually it will come down to two powerful civs left, and they will have to face off against each other .....

Uh, actually probably not. From the thread I took the above post from, GoW and ND have agreed to win the game together or lose it together (as in if one of them gets the spaceship then they both win). Whether that is true or not remains to be seen, but I kind of believe it.

	23-04-2005 03:19									#5
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Also from MZ's statement...

quote: The Glory of War and Neu Demogyptica pledge to win this game as allies. That means that both teams shall share the final victory if and when the Gathering Storm and Roleplay (and Lego) are defeated in war. Should either GoW or ND win by an alternative method (UN or Space Race for example) herein, victory shall still be claimed by both. Likewise, no separate peace shall be given by either of our two teams even if one or both of us are defeated. This alliance is called the Bilateral Inter-Bobian Treaty of Cointegrity and Help. Or B.I.T.C.H. for short.

Not sure about this. Meaning not sure if I agree with it from a gaming perspective. Each team is suppose to try and win individually - not as a team. What happens in the next game - 3 teams make a hard-alliance from day one, wipe out the others, and then claim victory. Sorry - not civ, IMHO.

Then again - maybe this game has run its course, and it needs some way to come to a conclusion.

Anyone want to ally with GS??

Also, it rules out any long-shot opportunity we may have, as per my comment in the post above.

	27-04-2005 18:46									#6
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I would like to leave our options open. And go whichever way leads to the most chance for victory when we need to make a choice.

Jon Miller

	29-04-2005 07:26									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I would like to leave our options open. And go whichever way leads to the most chance for victory when we need to make a choice. Jon Miller

Jon - but that is my point exactly. GoW and ND join up and defeat GS and then declare a joint victory. Not cricket as far as I am concerned. (btw - that is a British expression meaning not consistent with the rules. )

	11-05-2005 18:40									#8
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Hey guys a while since Ive visited.

We STILL need to tag along on the coat tails of GoW.

Anything can happen in this game as we have seen time and time again.

Just because GoW and ND are sleeping together right now doesn't mean they wont get tired of the same old sex after a while.

And if they want to declare a joint victory and they are the top two CIV's then well we can argue as much as we want but the big kids on the block usually get there way any how.

Lets see how this develops

	25-05-2005 18:11									#9
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Anymore news on where this is going? Thanks

	25-05-2005 20:57									#10
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The alliance is destroying GS at the moment. We're 3rd overall in productivity.

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If anyone cares, I asked MZ how the war was going...

quote: GS is reduced to their south-east cities. I'll send you a WM this turn so you can see the extent of the devastation, and our main stack is just 3 tiles from Eye of the Storm. We strongly suspect that Stormia might even be free of GS troops, that they've embarked them heading god-knows-where, perhaps Legoland, perhaps planning a landing in northern Stormia. We had a small carrier fleet attacked this turn off Inchon (fortunately no losses, just damage). That means GS has some naval forces (including a carrier) in that area. Perhaps with transports too. Thanks for the irrigations, they will help a lot. -MZ

	30-05-2005 02:02									#13
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hmm, so this is almost over..

Jon Miller

	30-05-2005 04:37									#14
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Pretty much yeah. Once GS is destroyed then GoW and ND will claim mutual victory...at least that was how they presented it a while back.

	30-05-2005 06:25									#15
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hopefully they will break up, we will ally with GoW, and come in second :b

Jon Miller

	30-05-2005 06:29									#16
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actually, switch that to if they break up we play both sides as usual, only coming in with the leader if one is on top

Jon Miller