21-04-2005 21:56									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Amateur My classical collection would own yours. It runs well into the thousands.

You don't have a clue as to the size of my collection. I'm not impressed.

Besides, that doesn't say much. Most of us don't listen to music just for the purpose of lording our "superior tastes" over others.

quote: And you're a lightweight anyway, preferring the superficial emotionalism of Bernstein to the gravitas of a conductor like Barbirolli.

Talk about superficial. I happen to have the Barbirolli as well, in addition to the Szell, Solti, Sanderling, Tennstedt, Boulez, Zander, Rattle and Thomas-Tillson recordings. I like many of them for different reasons (But the Boulez is simply dull, and the Tennstedt is god-awful in its distortions). I'd certainly take either Bernstein any day over Boulez or Karajan, both emotionally stunted interpretations. Bernstein superficial? No. Melodramatic at times, yes, but that's hardly the same thing.

But the overall point is that you shouldn't go around in that snoody way of yours proclaiming your musical superiority--about music you haven't even heard, no less--when there's plenty of other folks who can own you on that front.

	21-04-2005 22:13									#62
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quote: But the overall point is that you shouldn't go around in that snoody way of yours proclaiming your musical superiority--about music you haven't even heard, no less--when there's plenty of other folks who can own you on that front.

Look who's talking. I guess the Rob Thomas CD will find its way into your collection now.

And you're still a lightweight who prefers the girly stuff.

quote: You don't have a clue as to the size of my collection. I'm not impressed.

You once claimed to own 5-600 discs. God knows if you were lying at the time, but we had a thread on CD ownership a while back and you came in well after a few others.

	21-04-2005 22:15									#63
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I don't think Boris is a fan of Rob Thomas at all, he's just calling a spade a spade w.r.t. you.

He seems to appreciate music for music, while you seem to be more interested in music as an indicator of social status.

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Rob Thomas had that one good song with Santana and thats about it..

	21-04-2005 22:23									#65
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So you've also heard the CD then?

	21-04-2005 22:29									#66
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No. Does Santana make a guest appearance?

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No, John Mayer does though.

	21-04-2005 22:38									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Look who's talking. I guess the Rob Thomas CD will find its way into your collection now.

Look who's talking? I'd love one cite where I've ever insulted people for their tastes in music. Just one will do. You, however, seem to always criticize other people's music without being asked. As this thread shows, you're a total snob, even about things you haven't heard.

I've never heard of Rob Thomas and have no opinion, although I can guess it's not my kind of music. So what? I'm not going to bash people who listen to his music, especially since I haven't heard it. Duh.

quote: You once claimed to own 5-600 discs. God knows if you were lying at the time, but we had a thread on CD ownership a while back and you came in well after a few others.

I'd be happy to see a cite on that as well. But regardless, much of my collection isn't on disc. The future is now. It still doesn't mean much, since it's quality that matters, not quantity.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't think Boris is a fan of Rob Thomas at all, he's just calling a spade a spade w.r.t. you. He seems to appreciate music for music, while you seem to be more interested in music as an indicator of social status.

Good Cliff's Notes, yes.

	22-04-2005 05:19									#70
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quote: Most of us don't listen to music just for the purpose of lording our "superior tastes" over others.

quote: But the overall point is that you shouldn't go around in that snoody way of yours proclaiming your musical superiority

	22-04-2005 05:33									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No, John Mayer does though.

Hm, Mayer's alright...

I'll give the album a try

	22-04-2005 05:51									#72
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Drake, what was ironic? The two statements are entirely consistent. You do know what irony means, yes?

	22-04-2005 05:52									#73
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He wasn't saying those statements were contradictory. I think he was making reference to the style of music you listen to and your arguments about the same.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui He wasn't saying those statements were contradictory. I think he was making reference to the style of music you listen to and your arguments about the same.

I've never argued that my musical tastes are superior to anyone's, and I don't deride people for what types of music they listen to. Unless Drake is implying that listening to classical music makes one a de facto snob (which would actually in itself be musical snobbery), then I fail to see any point he has. I suspect he has none, per usual.

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quote: Unless Drake is implying that listening to classical music makes one a de facto snob

He may definetly have been.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui He may definetly have been.

Then he and Buck Birdseed can go sit in a corner together.

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There are certain things you can tell from an album cover. This one says, smarm.

	22-04-2005 06:45									#78
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quote: He wasn't saying those statements were contradictory. I think he was making reference to the style of music you listen to and your arguments about the same.

Indeed.

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quote: I've never argued that my musical tastes are superior to anyone's, and I don't deride people for what types of music they listen to

Yes you do. You've derided me for saying in effect that Brahms was girly and boring, and I derided you back for being girly and boring.

Don't try to pretend you aren't a gigantic ponce about it when you get your dander up.

I maintain that you must really hate music, if you are prepared to give Rob Thomas a pass. To all true music lovers it is a crime that he lives and breathes. Well, perhaps I'd settle for him being on a respirator.

Besides, this is Asher's thread and my responses are tame compared to his usual response to the musical tastes of others, so stop trying to prevent trolling fun.

quote: He seems to appreciate music for music, while you seem to be more interested in music as an indicator of social status.

More like the decline of civilization, but that's another story.

	22-04-2005 10:51									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yes you do. You've derided me for saying in effect that Brahms was girly and boring, and I derided you back for being girly and boring.

Nope, I've just defended Brahms from your inept attacks. My defending my own tastes doesn't mean I'm deriding anyone else's. Basic logic there, professor.

But let's see..."girly," "ponce..." I'd wonder how you'd be able insult people without resorting to sexuality slurs. It seems that snobbery and homophobic comments are all that's in your arsenal.

quote: I maintain that you must really hate music, if you are prepared to give Rob Thomas a pass. To all true music lovers it is a crime that he lives and breathes. Well, perhaps I'd settle for him being on a respirator.

I'm only giving Thomas a "pass" in the sense that I'm passing on his music. What more can be done besides that?

But many would have said the same of Wagner in his day. In fact, he was perhaps the most critically reviled of all the composers.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Indeed.

So you admit you're a snob.

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Not that I would care about being labeled a snob. I don't see what's so bad about it, or why you're trying so hard to pretend you're not one...

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Not that I would care about being labeled a snob. I don't see what's so bad about it, or why you're trying so hard to pretend you're not one...

You don't think it's bad to be "smugly superior about one's own tastes and interests" or be someone who has "contempt for those whom he considers his inferiors?" Interesting.

I, for one, don't think it's cool to put people down because of their tastes in music. I'll give you the same challenge I did to Agathon. Cite one example where I've derided others for the type of music they like. You won't be able to, because I don't do it.

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quote: You don't think it's bad to be "smugly superior about one's own tastes and interests" or be someone who has "contempt for those whom he considers his inferiors?"

Not really. I wish I could be a snob but, alas, I'm too common.

Anyway, you're not fooling anyone, Boris. Why don't you just revel in your snobbishness, like molly? Better an honest snob than a disingenuous one...

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@ Boris.

You've slagged off my tastes before, and not just "defending yourself" (which in your book equates to sarcastic witticisms or vague emotionalism).

So stop pretending that you're some paragon of virtue. Drake is right. In fact you are probably the smuggest ***** on the board.

You must be pretty screwed up to pretend you aren't a snob.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Not really. I wish I could be a snob but, alas, I'm too common.

Hey, you've already shown you're a snob and admitted it. Can't backtrack now.

quote: Anyway, you're not fooling anyone, Boris. Why don't you just revel in your snobbishness, like molly? Better an honest snob than a disingenuous one...

Whatever you say.

You: Deriding someone over his taste in music.
Me: Not deriding anyone over such.

So who's the snob here again?

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quote: But let's see..."girly," "ponce..." I'd wonder how you'd be able insult people without resorting to sexuality slurs.

It has nothing to do with you being gay, and everything to do with you being a girly ponce.

Most gay people aren't like that... thank God.

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quote: Anyway, you're not fooling anyone, Boris. Why don't you just revel in your snobbishness, like molly? Better an honest snob than a disingenuous one..

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quote: Hey, you've already shown you're a snob and admitted it.

I'm from Nebraska. It's impossible for me to be a snob considering that Nebraskans a) have no taste and b) are superior to no one. It's a sad fate, I must admit, but I've learned to deal with it.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon You've slagged off my tastes before, and not just "defending yourself" (which in your book equates to sarcastic witticisms or vague emotionalism).

Yeah, I'm sure you'll provide an example of such. Go ahead. And of course, there's just another baseless insult from you.

I've never "slagged" your tastes in music. What would I slag?

On the contrary, you constantly (and to a tiresome level) see fit to insult my musical tastes at every opportunity, unbidden. If it's not a Brahms quip, it's an oh-so-witty Bruckner put-down (I especially loved your wonderfully amusing anecdote of the witty "Mahler Good, Bruckner Bad" motto. However did anyone think of that saying?).

You then even had the nerve to falsely accuse me of hating Wagner once, and I have no idea where that came from. I think your paranoia is causing you to hallucinate attacks.

quote: So stop pretending that you're some paragon of virtue. Drake is right. In fact you are probably the smuggest ***** on the board. You must be pretty screwed up to pretend you aren't a snob.

Coming from you, this is rich. Why don't we put up an "arrogant snob" poll and see whom folks think of is the most smug on Apolyton. I'm willing to bet you win over anyone else on this board by a landslide.