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So yesterday, one of the best albums I've heard in years was released: Rob Thomas' (of matchbox twenty) ...something to be. It's just awesome. And it's not like MB20, it's more ecclectic. Don't really know how to explain it.



Rolling Stone magazine's review:

Matchbox Twenty guy makes groove-oriented disc, dares you not to like him after Santana's "Smooth," even the most skeptical critics had to acknowledge that Rob Thomas was an exceedingly crafty singer-songwriter. The evidence continues to mount on . . . Something to Be, Thomas' impressive and at times surprising solo debut. He hasn't simply cooked up a meat-and-potatoes Matchbox Twenty album on his own -- the fare here is significantly spicier, with Latin and even funk undertones. Backed by a varied group of players including Robert Randolph, Heartbreaker Mike Campbell and Dr. Dre bassist Mike Elizondo, Thomas hits to all fields. "Lonely No More," the first single, and "Something to Be" are riffy wonders that show him making a separate peace with the hip-hop universe. "Problem Girl" is gorgeous folk rock. Even Matchbox-ish numbers like "Ever the Same" sound fresh in this new context. Underestimate Thomas at your own peril.
The disc is a "DualDisc". One side is a CD, the other is a DVD. The CD side is a normal...CD. The DVD side has a DVD-audio version of the album, which is a digital 5.1 channel mix, 24-bit @ 96KHz. It also has a documentary, bonus song (New York Christmas), photos, lyrics, etc.

buy buy buy! (or otherwise acquire...)

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Total crap. Should be banned on grounds of taste.

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Do I need to?

One doesn't need to be omniscient to know that all of Britney Spears's albums are crap: Britney Spears just means crap.

Same with this tuneless wonder. I hope my ears are never assaulted by it.

Crap crap crapitty crappity crap....

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The critics:

Entertainment Weekly:

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Alas, the nuance that infuses a good chunk of Something to Be eventually gives way to the hammy, overemotive gestures we've come to expect from Thomas. [22 Apr 2005, p.61]


E! Online

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Tracks like "Lonely No More" might strike a chord because people will think it's a funky new Maroon 5 song. However, Backstreet Boys-esque ballads like "Ever the Same" and "When the Heartache Ends" are just way too much to handle.



Blender:

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The momentum collapses with ballads that would suit not only his band but even the Backstreet Boys. [May 2005, 124]


ergo it's aural poo.

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Aggie, you missed the best part of the EW review!

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(Entertainment Weekly) -- Rob Thomas: adept craftsman or musical agent of Satan? Sometimes it's hard to tell.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Mus...omas/index.html

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Not bad. Something I'd download, but I wouldn't pay for it. Of course, there are very few albums I'd pay for.

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Or what about...

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He's become his generation's Phil Collins


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Aggie, you missed the best part of the EW review!

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(Entertainment Weekly) -- Rob Thomas: adept craftsman or musical agent of Satan? Sometimes it's hard to tell.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Mus...omas/index.html



I was too lazy: that quote was from St Leo's link

Anyway

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(Entertainment Weekly) -- Rob Thomas: adept craftsman or musical agent of Satan? Sometimes it's hard to tell.

With Thomas' reedy whine at center stage, matchbox twenty embodied rock's drift into joyless, store-brand monotony by the late '90s.
Every so often, though, Thomas thinks outside the matchbox and makes up for his transgressions.

''Smooth,'' his 1999 hot-tamale matchup with Santana, was one such moment of revelation, and ''Lonely No More,'' the irresistible initial single from Thomas' wide-ranging first solo outing, "Something to Be," is another.

Encircled by DJ beats, warp-speed bass lines, and a ''whoa-oh!'' refrain, Thomas sounds less like his usual tortured self and more like a boy-band veteran who still knows a thing or two about a grabby hook. Who knew he could be so pop, so rhythmic, so tolerable?

"Something to Be" doesn't always snap and crackle the way that single does, but it's not for lack of trying. Matchbox often strove to prove they had more to offer, but everything -- even their cracks at gospel and country -- sounded pretty identical. On his own, Thomas works hard to avoid that trap. (He's become his generation's Phil Collins -- an industry-savvy schmoozer eager to collaborate with others and lighten way up.)

Who would have thought he could concoct a taut, driven track like ''This Is How a Heart Breaks'' or graceful, near-Byrdsian gems like ''When the Heartache Ends'' and ''Problem Girl''? If matchbox twenty make the musical equivalent of supersize blockbuster movies, the best parts of "Something to Be" are akin to a more intimate indie film. Even Thomas' lyrics -- typically angsty and needy and delivered, as usual, with a suggestion of deep-seated resentment -- are less intrusive. What a difference better accompaniment makes.

Alas, the nuance that infuses a good chunk of "Something to Be" eventually gives way to the hammy, overemotive gestures we've come to expect from Thomas. The strained funk of ''I Am an Illusion'' is painful, as is the football-chant bombast of the look-how-dark-I-can-be title song (in which he lacerates himself for appearing ''a little too boy next door'' and feeling he should ''try to find a downtown whore'').

The nadir is ''Streetcorner Symphony,'' an embarrassing foray into '70s FM rock in which he slurps about going ''down to the corner'' with ''my sisters and my brothers of every different color.'' The song feels like the world's greatest Black Crowes parody -- until you realize Thomas is completely serious.


''Sometimes I'm people I never hoped that I would be,'' he sings in ''I Am an Illusion.'' Luckily, Thomas also manages, just enough, to be someone a pure-pop fan always hoped he would be, too.

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E!, EW, and Blender -- clearly the leading authority on taste.

Consider yourself self-pwn3d...

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From RollingStone.com:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/st...eregion=triple3

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The other tracks on the album range from the funk pop of "Fallin' to Pieces" to the John Mellencamp-does-soul tune "Streetcorner Symphony" -- but little of it could be considered rock. For Thomas, though, that's not much of a change. "Matchbox Twenty stopped rocking a long time ago," Thomas says of his on-hiatus band.


He also talks about why can't this be his pop phase.

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Next we will have to endure the return of Maroon 5. C**ts...

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What's wrong with saying it's not rock? It's not rock, and it's good music.

I think all of you should at least acquire it (PM me ) before passing judgement. It's crafted well, even if cultural bastions of good taste like Entertainment Weekly or E! Online don't understand it.

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Next we will have to endure the return of Maroon 5. C**ts...

And how was that post relevant?

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From Imran's selectively-copied article...

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Ultimately, however, Thomas wanted to combine his guitar-centric roots with the deeper grooves of urban music. "The thing that gets me off is having tracks that have Tom Petty's guitar player and Dr. Dre's bass player on them," says Thomas, who also recruited John Mayer to play guitar. "I wanted a record that bass players would listen to and go, 'Man, that's funky.'" Adds the album's producer, Matt Serletic, "Rob's always been sort of a soulful singer. This was an opportunity to highlight that."

Thomas is enjoying the solo life -- "You don't have to wait for five guys to get things done" -- but he swears that he is still committed to Matchbox Twenty, who have released three platinum albums since 1996. "We've broken up so many times that I don't imagine it ever sticking," he says. "But we were uninspired. If we had made a record now, we would become every bad thing critics have said about us."

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I think all of you should at least acquire it (PM me )


And be infected by filthy WMA files? Athena forbid!

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192Kbps WMA, without DRM.

If you want I can send you the 5.1 channel 24-bit/96KHz WMA rip I have, too.

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Damn, I though this thread was going to be about Asher having obtained personal knowledge of Justice Clarence Thomas's organ.

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192Kbps WMA, without DRM.

If you want I can send you the 5.1 channel 24-bit/96KHz WMA rip I have, too.


If you put it that way...

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So yesterday, one of the best albums I've heard in years was released: Rob Thomas' (of matchbox twenty) ...something to be. It's just awesome. And it's not like MB20, it's more ecclectic. Don't really know how to explain it.


heres an idea asher . . . why dont you two marry?

$5 says this music is just as bad as before. and oh yeah, dont trust todays music reviewers. theres always someone out there whose gonna like it. no one is critical anymore, especially rolling stone, who needs to be nice to all the artists so that they come back for more interviews.

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I always ignore the critics.

The album is great. It's diverse, it's honest and heart-felt, it's catchy, and it's well-constructed.

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I always ignore the critics.


And yet you quote one in your first post on this thread. It was you who opened that door.

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I think all of you should at least acquire it


I've heard 30 second snippits of the songs on the album... I'll pass.

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And yet you quote one in your first post on this thread. It was you who opened that door.

Because I know the lesser people here want everyone else to make a decision for them, so I helped you out.

I'm encouraging everyone to listen with an open mind and form their own opinions, and am making that a pretty easy option.

But you still get children plugging their ears and spamming insults and general rhetoric because they know it's not cool to like the musical act in question.

Grow some balls, people.

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I've heard 30 second snippits of the songs on the album... I'll pass.

30 second snippits at 32Kbps sure gives you insight into the artistic merits of a piece of work, doesn't it?

Are there any people on this site that are genuinely interested in music, or just the pretentious ****ers already here?

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[q]Total crap. Should be banned on grounds of taste.

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You've heard the album already?

quote:
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Do I need to?




Now there is an opinion you can put your trust in!

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30 second snippits at 32Kbps sure gives you insight into the artistic merits of a piece of work, doesn't it?


It lets me know if I'll like the music... and I didn't.

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It lets me know if I'll like the music... and I didn't.

Okay, go back to your Tricia Yearwood/Shania Twain then.

 
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