22-04-2005 03:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/James_T._Kirk

but America didn't exist then. Yes I know he's from Iowa.

	22-04-2005 03:48									#32
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	22-04-2005 03:53									#33
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Robert E. Lee Thomas Jonathan Jackson James Longstreet Joseph Johnston J. E. B. Stuart Oh, you mean those other Americans?

	22-04-2005 03:56									#34
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Hey, MTG, you fogot to mention Simon Legree.

	22-04-2005 03:56									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident but America didn't exist then. Yes I know he's from Iowa.

That makes him no less American than Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc...

	22-04-2005 04:05									#36
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	22-04-2005 04:07									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus That makes him no less American than Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc...

Except that he's a frickin' fictional character.

	22-04-2005 04:07									#38
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Come on guys. Let's hear it for the great inventors the US has produced. Edison and the Wright Bros. are clearly at the forefront. Bell may have been a Canadian. We also should consider Morse. We have one vote for Oppenheimer.

What about Samuel Colt?

	22-04-2005 04:08									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Except that he's a frickin' fictional character.

So is Simon Legree. But I think he should be included because he represents the Old South.

	22-04-2005 04:10									#40
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Wright bros. are overrated. Half a dozen other guys were working on the same **** concurrently, they just happened to beat them to the punch (and not by much).

Edison, on the other hand, certainly rocks.

	22-04-2005 04:10									#41
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Simon Legree should be on a list of 25 greatest Americans? The Nedaverse gets stranger every day.

	22-04-2005 04:11									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Except that he's a frickin' fictional character.

Hey, don't you be dissin' my Kirk!

If the Brits can vote Homer Simpson as Greatest American, I don't see why I can't

	22-04-2005 04:12									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Simon Legree should be on a list of 25 greatest Americans? The Nedaverse gets stranger every day.

No, Boris. I was referring to MTG's alternate list of great Confederates.

	22-04-2005 04:12									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus If the Brits can vote Homer Simpson as Greatest American, I don't see why I can't

The Brits only did it out of mockery. And probably many of them were too dumb to know he's not real.

	22-04-2005 04:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The Brits only did it out of mockery.

Your point being?

	22-04-2005 04:17									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Wright bros. are overrated. Half a dozen other guys were working on the same **** concurrently, they just happened to beat them to the punch (and not by much). Edison, on the other hand, certainly rocks.

I would have agreed with you about the Wright Bros. until I watched a special about them on the History Channel. They made so many critical inventions to make their machine work it is almost beyond comprehension. No one else was anywhere near close, and no one could make a plane thereafter without a patent license from the Wright Bros., until, that is, they were forced to license their patents.

	22-04-2005 04:17									#47
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	22-04-2005 04:21									#48
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	22-04-2005 04:24									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Come on guys. Let's hear it for the great inventors the US has produced. Edison and the Wright Bros. are clearly at the forefront. Bell may have been a Canadian. We also should consider Morse. We have one vote for Oppenheimer. What about Samuel Colt?

don't forget Westinghouse. Him and his company provided the way for our advanced society we have today. none of this would be possible without electricity. Yeah it would have eventually been figured out by someone, but he sped up the process.

In fact, I'd take Westinghouse over Edison any day.

and yes- Westinghouse is a very important part of modernizing the U.S. navy with rotary steam turbines. While an englishman came up with the original patents, he bought them and made them work on a larger scale.

So some of the equipment I worked with in the navy was manufactured by Westinghouse. Very important stuff for naval propulsion and of course, civilian electrical production and distribution.

	22-04-2005 05:23									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Ned It is good to see the great racist Indian killer on the list, the man who told the Supreme Court to stuff it, the man who marched the Cherokee off their land, the man who routinely exceeded his orders as a commanding officer and who so alienated most Americans by his imperial style that he fractured the Democrat-Republican Party.

He's the quintessential achievement oriented American! He's like my ancestor, who in the 1830s having been told by the Quaker church that it was really, really, really time for him to obey the 1750 Quaker injunction against owning slaves declared himself a Methodist and moved his family and slaves from Virginia to land in Tennessee made available by some recently exiled Cherokees. Man, you just don't get more American than that!

	22-04-2005 06:20									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/James_T._Kirk

that doesn't make him an American, that makes him a member of the godless communist federation of planets.

	22-04-2005 06:27									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ned It is good to see the great racist Indian killer on the list, the man who told the Supreme Court to stuff it, the man who marched the Cherokee off their land, the man who routinely exceeded his orders as a commanding officer and who so alienated most Americans by his imperial style that he fractured the Democrat-Republican Party.

He had a key part in kicking the British's ass so that there'd still be an America, and preserving the Union later on against that same party's attempt to fracture it. As to the Supreme court, you seem to be forgetting that the original design was to have those bozos in Washington fighting each other and not us.

quote: Originally posted by Ned Come on guys. Let's hear it for the great inventors the US has produced. Edison and the Wright Bros. are clearly at the forefront. Bell may have been a Canadian. We also should consider Morse. We have one vote for Oppenheimer. What about Samuel Colt?

Hey I put Tesla up there.

	22-04-2005 06:36									#53
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	22-04-2005 06:37									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Bell may have been a Canadian.

He was British (immigrant from Scotland).

quote: What about Samuel Colt?

First mass production item Bad purpose though

	22-04-2005 06:50									#55
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Well while we're at it don't forget Gatling. I think that Maxim was an American too, wasn't he?

	22-04-2005 07:09									#56
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	22-04-2005 07:11									#57
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Jag and I both picked Hamilton.

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	22-04-2005 08:17									#60
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