22-04-2005 03:55									#1
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	22-04-2005 04:00									#2
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Ah! Putin. He will always sell advanced weapons to enemies of the United States and Israel.

I say we pull the plug on the Space Station and impose stiff sanctions on Putins Russia.

	22-04-2005 04:01									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Ah! Putin. He will always sell advanced weapons to enemies of the United States and Israel. I say we pull the plug on the Space Station and impose stiff sanctions on Putins Russia.

the first part sounds good to me. the space station is a waste of money.

	22-04-2005 04:09									#4
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Don't you think that Syria has the right and duty to prevent Isreal combat aircraft from violating air space. Isreal is clearly wrong for doing so and if Syria purchases these weapons and they happen to fall into terrorist hands Isreal only has herself to blame.

	22-04-2005 04:11									#5
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Does Syria still occasionally launch rockets/arty into Isreal that Isreal need to use its airforce to counterattack?

	22-04-2005 04:18									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Does Syria still occasionally launch rockets/arty into Isreal that Isreal need to use its airforce to counterattack?

You tell me. If so then Isreal is justified in retaliation. In fact, but countries are equally wrong if this is the case. I don't think they we(the U.S.) should be allied with such foolish behavior.

	22-04-2005 04:19									#7
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Lancer, if I were Israel, I would draw a line in the sand now that Russia is selling missles to Syria. No more or else.

	22-04-2005 04:25									#8
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Or else what? The Russians sell to another hostile Arab country?

	22-04-2005 04:30									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Or else what? The Russians sell to another hostile Arab country?

Israel has to act before it cannot act.

You figure it out.

	22-04-2005 04:34									#10
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If the Russians sell to Syria, they get money.
If this prompts Isreal to act pre-emptively, Syria gets b-slapped.
Thus the Russians can then sell even more to Syria to help it rebuild. Thus more money.

At the end of the day, I doubt the Russians really care about Isreal v Syria so much as they care about money v no money.

Maybe they can get Isreal to pay them not to sell to Syria.

	22-04-2005 04:34									#11
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Syria hasn't lobbed arty or missiles into Israel since the the early 70s. They didn't even do it during the Bekaa Valley air war in the early 80s. It's all coming from Palestinians in Gaza or what's their faces in Lebanon.

	22-04-2005 04:38									#12
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Why shouldn't Syria be allowed to protect itself ? After all it is a peacefull country that doesn't interfere into it's neighbours affairs...

	22-04-2005 04:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Why shouldn't Syria be allowed to protect itself ? After all it is a peacefull country that doesn't interfere into it's neighbours affairs...

The reason is the same reason Britain declared war on Germany after Germany crossed the line in the sand that Britain drew. They have to act to suppress an enemy while they still can.

	22-04-2005 05:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The reason is the same reason Britain declared war on Germany after Germany cross the line in the sand that Britain drew. They have to act to suppress an enemy while they still can.

There are some concepts called irony and sarcasm that might benefit you if you learn to understand them.

	22-04-2005 05:45									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's all coming from [...] or what's their faces in Lebanon.

Its all coming from Hezbullah which is directed and sponsored by Iran and is supported by Syria, which also controls (or until very recently controlled) Lebanon.

Hezballah has been getting free rockets - iirc from iran and syria.

So the idea of the weapons going to the wrong hands is not impossible.

And Israel sees Syria responsible for not stopping Hezbullah attacks and therefore wants to keep a military threat option against Syria viable.

Not to mention that the Israeli doctrine is heavily based on use of Aerial bombardment, and this will somewhat neutralise its effectiveness.

	22-04-2005 05:46									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Ah! Putin. He will always sell advanced weapons to enemies of the United States and Israel.

To be fair the only countries which are left for the Russians to sell to are countries we won't sell to.

	22-04-2005 05:50									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The reason is the same reason Britain declared war on Germany after Germany cross the line in the sand that Britain drew. They have to act to suppress an enemy while they still can.

Israel's nuclear arsenal, not to mention the superior training and skill of the IDF compared to the Syrians will assure that Israel can act any time it deems that it needs to do so, and there won't be **** the Syrians can do about it.

	22-04-2005 06:14									#18
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Syria hasn't lobbed arty or missiles into Israel since the the early 70s. They didn't even do it during the Bekaa Valley air war in the early 80s. It's all coming from Palestinians in Gaza or what's their faces in Lebanon.

The Syrian occupiers in Lebanon?

	22-04-2005 06:30									#19
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Yeah Ned, whatever... selling weapons is a dirty business, everyone who can does it, get over it.

	22-04-2005 06:38									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha The Syrian occupiers in Lebanon?

No, Hezbollah. I couldn't remember their name, but Siro remembered for me. Whle Syria does aid Hezbollah, they Hezbollah attacks from areas formerly occupied by Israel, not areas occupied by Syria.

As for Israeli's air threat being somewhat neutralized, oh well. Maybe they'll have to negotiate for peace with Syria and consider returning the Golan.

	22-04-2005 06:40									#21
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"Lancer, if I were Israel, I would draw a line in the sand now that Russia is selling missles to Syria. No more or else."

With who? Russia? Syria?

A couple of armored cavalry regiments, one opposite Syria and one in the Sinai. Then let the Russians sell what they may. Really Ned, there's no stopping the arms trade. If they don't get it from the Russians they'll get it from a real enemy, like France.

	22-04-2005 06:49									#22
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Lets see, there is really nothing Russia needs that Israel can really supply, and Israel won't buy Russian weapons...Why should the Russians then give a damn about the Israeli reaction?

	22-04-2005 06:51									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov And Israel sees Syria responsible for not stopping Hezbullah attacks and therefore wants to keep a military threat option against Syria viable. Not to mention that the Israeli doctrine is heavily based on use of Aerial bombardment, and this will somewhat neutralise its effectiveness.

So in short, the Russians are doing something bad, because they help preventing the Israelis for bombing however they please?

	22-04-2005 06:52									#24
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GePap...

Because at this point in history I think Israel could take the Russians single handed...if the US would watch their back in the Sinai and Golan.

	22-04-2005 06:57									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer GePap... Because at this point in history I think Israel could take the Russians single handed...if the US would watch their back in the Sinai and Golan.

How the hell would Israelis even approach Russia? Israel has no real blue water navy, limited airlift capability-it would be utterly unable to do anything to Russia. The same could be said of Russia to Israel, thought Russia does have a superior Navy and some airlift, though not much, really.

The real basic difference though are Israel's 200 air-delivered fission bombs vs. Russia's 6000 Fusion devices on intercontinental ballistic missiles.

	22-04-2005 07:01									#26
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It's all about the Benjamins, whether you're an authoritarian dictatorship like Russia or a liberal democracy like France...

	22-04-2005 07:07									#27
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Drake, you REALLY need to start a thread about that.

GePap, they just need to make an alliance with someone like the Azerbijohnies. Then they just sail over in regular freighters and hit Russia in their soft moslem underbelly.

	22-04-2005 07:09									#28
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quote: Drake, you REALLY need to start a thread about that.

Eh. My gives a **** is broken when it comes to France...

	22-04-2005 07:10									#29
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Oh, I forgot how well the Israelis would be accepted in the Islamic Caucausian provinces like Chechnya...

Its a silly notiont that these two nations would have any real war.

	22-04-2005 07:11									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten It's all about the Benjamins, whether you're an authoritarian dictatorship like Russia or a liberal democracy like France...

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How low can this government get?

Edit: never mind, we made about 5 billions, especially by selling Airbuses