22-04-2005 06:10									#1
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anyone up for this?

	22-04-2005 12:03									#2
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You missed me by two days there.

That being said, count me in as the Miyoshi.

Would you consider stripping the Yamabushi monks of their incredible running speed (treat all terrain as roads)?

	23-04-2005 07:51									#3
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no idea. i'm playing through it for the first time

	23-04-2005 11:13									#4
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Imagine having one unit that can go 6 tiles into enemy territory, with 5 defense and lots of Mountains around (it is Japan, after all). Imagine the best offensive unit at the time having an attack of 2. Basically, whoever gets there first can kill or serverly damage one enemy "for free" (no losses or forcing the other to take terrible losses in defense). See here:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=130160

It is no fun to defend against even many turns later, with 6-attack units. Granted, speed is cool, but this units is just too strong.

	25-04-2005 23:34									#5
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A smaller improvement might be just stripping the Yamabushi monks of the ability to pillage. See the AU Mod for Conquests thread in the AU forum.

That would keep the flavor of the fast defensive unit but also keep the pillaging down.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 You missed me by two days there. That being said, count me in as the Miyoshi. Would you consider stripping the Yamabushi monks of their incredible running speed (treat all terrain as roads)?

	26-04-2005 08:03									#6
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as i've said, i'm still playing through this.

	26-04-2005 23:24									#7
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Hopefully either at a level higher than Monarch or else with a civ that doesn't have one of the best starts. On Monarch level, it's easy to win a Diplomatic Victory before the AI ever finishes the first era, if you play the right civ.

quote: Originally posted by self biased as i've said, i'm still playing through this.

	27-04-2005 05:33									#8
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i am less than informed on which clans start in good positions as opposed to bad ones.

	28-04-2005 22:39									#9
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The easyist way is open up the Civ III conquests editor and bring up the conquest inside it. Right click a tile with circles around it to see which country started where.

Best positions : Those where either founding or place or shifting one tile and then founding will result in your capital having fresh water.

Bad positions : Positions that are far from any source of fresh water.

Poor positions: The five civs starting on smaller islands. (3 and 2)

quote: Originally posted by self biased i am less than informed on which clans start in good positions as opposed to bad ones.

	28-04-2005 23:01									#10
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No civ starts on an island in the MP version.

	29-04-2005 01:32									#11
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Actually all the civs start on an island in the MP one. It's just the same one.

The map is considerly smaller in the MP version than SP one and it resulted in land bridges.

I would also guess that the MP starting positions are much more equal than in SP.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 No civ starts on an island in the MP version.

	03-05-2005 03:02									#12
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so we have three? maybe i could bug paddy to join in.

	03-05-2005 14:09									#13
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Count me in, d like to be Hojo

I like fast cycling games so if some1 knows he he can play his turn only once a week tell me now and leave me out - dont hope so

what a unit can move 6 tiles? our leader? dont u loose game if u loose him - and cant he move only 2?

	03-05-2005 17:30									#14
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you're thinking of the damyio unit. sounds good though, i'm usually good for a turn a day, but i do lapse occaisionally when my girlfriend is visiting and because of work.

i'd like the oda, and actually if you want to, go ahead and prepare the scenario, modo.

	03-05-2005 17:46									#15
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You mean change the Yamabushis and put us in the first three (or four is it?) player spots? I can only do the change I proposed - the other one requires some magic I have no knowledge of...

	04-05-2005 14:02									#16
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Isnt it possible to give just every1 the civs he likes???

You want to add AI civs?

	04-05-2005 15:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by tommynt Isnt it possible to give just every1 the civs he likes??? You want to add AI civs?

True, we could go without the AI. I did not consider that... [i]self biased[b], what is your decision?

	04-05-2005 19:50									#18
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the whole premise is dozens of minor warlords trying to oust each other, so i'd have to go with as many ai players as possible. to be honest they've been pushovers, and difficult to exploit. what sort of combat reporting do we want to do?

	04-05-2005 20:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by self biased the whole premise is dozens of minor warlords trying to oust each other, so i'd have to go with as many ai players as possible. to be honest they've been pushovers, and difficult to exploit.

Well, we can get up to 5, since MP only allows 8 players total. Just pick the difficulty level (i.e. how much of a pushover the AI should be). I hope you know how to choose the difficulty levels for scenarios (I do).

quote: Originally posted by self biased what sort of combat reporting do we want to do?

My usual reports are simple. Total number of attacks with each unit (i.e. "5 Ashigaru attack"), number of killed/captured units (i.e. "2 lost, 3 Ashigaru killed, 1 Catapult captured"). Perhaps total number of HP taken, if using bombard. More detailed reports are pretty tedious to do.

	04-05-2005 22:54									#20
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so we need pushovers?

	04-05-2005 23:24									#21
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quote: Originally posted by tommynt so we need pushovers?

We can make them Sid-level. That would make us the pushovers:

The AI is there to limit our early, rather easy expansion. Otherwise anyone with a worse start (i.e. with less room to grow) would have an immediate big disadvantage. The starts are unequal enough as it is. I would suggest something between Regent and Emperor, depending on your abilities to handle the AI.

Anyway, I will prepare the scenario and post it in a minute. The civs and difficulty level can be chosen when starting the game, so we can still discuss this.

	04-05-2005 23:35									#22
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Here is the modified scenario.

You need to change the difficulty level while on the PBEM setup screen before choosing the scenario. The fields all go blank, but the game remembers your choice.

You can then add all players, first three being self biased, Modo, tommynt.

Attachment: 7 mp sengoku (mod).zip
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	05-05-2005 09:41									#23
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sounds good. we'll wait for a fourth to step foreward, and go from there.

	15-05-2005 14:11									#24
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here I be

	18-05-2005 19:37									#25
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sorry, i missed this. all interested parties should PM me their email address and desired civ, with the exception of modo and paddy, whose addresses i already have.

	25-05-2005 23:20									#26
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still need players.

	26-05-2005 02:40									#27
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Four is not enough?

My civ pick is somewhere very near the start of this thread, by the way. The Miyoshi, I chose.

	30-05-2005 18:10									#28
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as said my civ is the hojo

email: civ3_tommynt at web.de

lets get it on