23-04-2005 00:09									#31
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quote: So, just for the record - the problem wasn't a Firefox problem, but a code bug and the fact that all other browsers (and the validator) incorrectly accepted your code - is that right? Sounds like you should submit your code sample to W3C and tell them their validator is broken.

It's easier to blame Firefox. After all, I haven't heard one negative thing about it yet.

	23-04-2005 00:21									#32
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@Asher:
Yes

	23-04-2005 00:56									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed the CEO will swim from Finland to the US!

Norway, but close enough. Someone needs to get this to Slashdot.

	23-04-2005 01:00									#34
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Finland > Norwei.

	23-04-2005 01:03									#35
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If it happens, look for him to take a cruise from Norway to the U.S. and spending his whole time on the ship in a swimming pool.

	23-04-2005 01:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Just when we are at it: There is a problem with Firefox, maybe one of you can help me. Everytime I write an apostrophe ' , the ctrl+f bar at the bottom pops up and this is extremely annoying. I am (yes, I AM, WE ARE, HE CANNOT) almost toying with the idea of returning to IE because of this little stupid problem

what version are you using ? ('''''''''''''''''''''''' and not a single pop with version 1.0 dk )

	23-04-2005 02:17									#37
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1.0.3 de

	23-04-2005 02:38									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Opera 8 is out!

Opera is my default browser again.

	23-04-2005 03:31									#39
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Opera is playing catchup pretty hardcore to Firefox.

They still don't get it though.

They tought Opera 8 as being simple, then they add **** like speech recognition? Into an internet browser?

They have totally wrong misconceptions of a user experience, and will remain in the niche market like the Mozilla suite did, until they start taking user experience to the extreme like Firefox.

	23-04-2005 03:32									#40
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Plus Opera's adblocking and layerblocking and iframe blocking is lacking.

Last edited by Asher on 23-04-2005 at 03:38

	23-04-2005 03:47									#41
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I've been using Opera 8 for seconds and there are already annoyances with the default.

• The tabs are above the toolbars -- why? That makes no sense.
  
• You have to click the Address bar for the "Home" button to appear -- not very useful, not very intuitive.
  
• Clicking the Address bar shows three different search fields! How useful...
  
• There's some kind of trashbin in the top right corner, its use...I've no idea.

	23-04-2005 03:54									#42
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I liked opera on my old computer

this one I have used firefox on, and haven't looked back

maybe opera can take over for IE though (I don't have much turned on with firefox, so sometimes have to have IE to go to other sites)

(although I think I had even less turned on with opera previously)

Jon miller

	23-04-2005 04:20									#43
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Sure, sure... They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

And sadly I don't have the speech recognition or screenreader. They're awesome features for the blind and visually impaired. Not that I'm blind, but I've worked on a project for blind children recently.

quote: Originally posted by Asher The tabs are above the toolbars -- why? That makes no sense.

That wasn't the case for me, because I installed it over my existing Opera 7 installation... But I've now actually changed it to that. You can have toolbars both inside and outside the tab.

The main reason why I now prefer them below the tabs is because then I can get the thinner ad. So it takes up less screen real-estate. That's probably also the reason why it's the default.

quote: You have to click the Address bar for the "Home" button to appear -- not very useful, not very intuitive.

I don't have a homepage anyway, since Opera remembers what tabs I have open (not that I have a homepage with Firefox either)... That address bar drop-down is a bit strange indeed, but I'm liking it. You can put the Home button somewhere else if you don't like it.

Again, the drop-down thing saves precious screen space. Something you'd been complaining about earlier... But yes, you still can't get it quite as trimmed-down as with Firefox, even when not counting the ad.

quote: Clicking the Address bar shows three different search fields! How useful...

Yes, that's always been a bit silly. Having a different search field for each different search engine. But there's also an all-in-one drop-down. So if you don't like it, change it. It's still easier to add engines in Firefox, though. I'm too lazy to go and look into Opera's .ini files to add more.

quote: There's some kind of trashbin in the top right corner, its use...I've no idea.

It's a history of recently closed tabs. In case you accidentally closed a tab or so. Pretty handy, I'd say. If you don't like it, remove it.

	23-04-2005 04:49									#44
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Stuff I don't like about Firefox:

- it has some problems displaying accented characters, which sucks for a French speaker.

- it seems to be unable to remember font size settings; they have to be manually changed every time you open a new window

I reckon that these issues are probably adressable, I'm just too lazy too look them up.

	23-04-2005 05:40									#45
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quote: - it has some problems displaying accented characters, which sucks for a French speaker.

Check your character encoding.

	23-04-2005 06:13									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I've been using Opera 8 for seconds and there are already annoyances with the default. The tabs are above the toolbars -- why? That makes no sense. You have to click the Address bar for the "Home" button to appear -- not very useful, not very intuitive. Clicking the Address bar shows three different search fields! How useful... There's some kind of trashbin in the top right corner, its use...I've no idea.

Oh man... You really have no clue, do you?

BTW, if you use lists in your posts, please close them...

	23-04-2005 06:26									#47
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Installed numero 8 over the 7.54 tonight. I see no improvements whatsoever yet. They've messed with the interface so I've lost many shortcuts I had customized.

One thing I would like Opera to do is to have "stop loading ALL pages" feature. Plus I'd like it to take less RAM. It only has one Apolyton tab open, this thread, and it's already taking up 37 MB.

	23-04-2005 06:31									#48
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Where did the IRC client go? I'm surfing and I run into this http://www.civirc.com/. I click and it asks me if I want to run the IRC client, I click yes but it doesn't start. Hmmmm.

	23-04-2005 06:37									#49
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Found IRC.

	23-04-2005 06:53									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III There is a problem with Firefox, maybe one of you can help me. Everytime I write an apostrophe ' , the ctrl+f bar at the bottom pops up and this is extremely annoying. I am (yes, I AM, WE ARE, HE CANNOT) almost toying with the idea of returning to IE because of this little stupid problem

The apostophe brings up the search box as well. Though it doesn't do it in a text box, at least not for me.

	23-04-2005 06:55									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris - it seems to be unable to remember font size settings; they have to be manually changed every time you open a new window

That appears to be proper behaviour, because the browser wouldn't know where you would go in a new window.

	23-04-2005 07:21									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Oh man... You really have no clue, do you? BTW, if you use lists in your posts, please close them...

Did it break Opera or something? I was in a rush to go, someone was tugging at my arm.

And I "have no clue"? That was just in a very tiny amount of time of using the default Opera configure that it broke some conventional user guidelines.

The trashbin is a nice idea, but there is no tooltip or other indicator for what the hell it is. For all I know it's where my deleted favorites/bookmarks go.

It's also is standard (and good) interface design to attach widgets to the item they control where possible. That's why it makes no sense to put the toolbar between the tabs and the document.

	23-04-2005 09:48									#53
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I like Firefox but one thing I wish it could do is to let me rename files before I download them from my yahoo email.

	23-04-2005 23:42									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The trashbin is a nice idea, but there is no tooltip or other indicator for what the hell it is. For all I know it's where my deleted favorites/bookmarks go.

I do get a tooltip that says "Closed". The little arrow beside it also indicates that it's a drop-down box, so if you would click it you'd probably get the idea.

quote: It's also is standard (and good) interface design to attach widgets to the item they control where possible. That's why it makes no sense to put the toolbar between the tabs and the document.

Ah, but don't all the buttons and fields on the toolbar relate to the selected tab, not the entire browser? Then by that same principle it doesn't make sense to put the tabs between the toolbar and the document either.

If you don't like it, fine, but don't come up with irrelevant interface design principles.

I'm not too happy with the way Opera handles newsfeeds, though. I much prefer Firefox's "Live Bookmark" approach.

	25-04-2005 21:17									#55
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the dude's swimming.

www.opera.com/swim

	25-04-2005 23:06									#56
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I think Firefox sucks because everytime I go to a news site and try to watch a video. Its doesn't show anything but a piece of green puzzle and it says click here to download plugin. I can't even click on it. Then at the top it says Install missing plugins, I do that and it says no plug ins available. So i go back to good ole IE and it automatically ask you what player and the starts playing the video.

	25-04-2005 23:07									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Did it break Opera or something? I was in a rush to go, someone was tugging at my arm. And I "have no clue"? That was just in a very tiny amount of time of using the default Opera configure that it broke some conventional user guidelines. The trashbin is a nice idea, but there is no tooltip or other indicator for what the hell it is. For all I know it's where my deleted favorites/bookmarks go. It's also is standard (and good) interface design to attach widgets to the item they control where possible. That's why it makes no sense to put the toolbar between the tabs and the document.

The trashbin.. hmm I think it says so in the changelog about what it is. I always try to look at changelogs first.

Firefox has recently fallen a bit in my appreciation. There was a stupid bug with my faulty mouse. The mouse went crazy and often made double clicks instead of single clicks and sometimes in an input field it would cause Firefox to hide the input field.
I have bought a new mouse, but still, what a strange bug. Haven't filed a report though (or bothered to look if one exists).

The bigger annoyance is that ****ing piece of **** that is called Thunderbird. They need to improve that bugger. I don't want to switch again.

	25-04-2005 23:21									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster I think Firefox sucks because everytime I go to a news site and try to watch a video. Its doesn't show anything but a piece of green puzzle and it says click here to download plugin. I can't even click on it. Then at the top it says Install missing plugins, I do that and it says no plug ins available. So i go back to good ole IE and it automatically ask you what player and the starts playing the video.

I had that problem too. It's a problem with the Windows Media plug-in for Firefox... Installing the following plugin should fix it:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/wi...oad/plugin.aspx

	26-04-2005 08:46									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster I think Firefox sucks because everytime I go to a news site and try to watch a video. Its doesn't show anything but a piece of green puzzle and it says click here to download plugin. I can't even click on it. Then at the top it says Install missing plugins, I do that and it says no plug ins available. So i go back to good ole IE and it automatically ask you what player and the starts playing the video.

I had that problem as well. If Mercator's suggestion didn't work, do what I did - I reinstalled Firefox and behold and lo it worked.

	26-04-2005 10:03									#60
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quote: it has some problems displaying accented characters, which sucks for a French speaker.

Firefox's support for accented Greek characters is extremely poor, which makes it useless for my work.

If they can fix that, then I might switch over. But as it stands Safari is just as fast, has perfect support for Classical Greek, has built in spell check, and has a more professional and well thought out UI.