22-04-2005 07:12									#1
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because I'm debugging CSS/XHTML code and firefox is the only browser where it don't work right.

And it should, because I had it working before, as well as in Opera and IE.

**** goddamn firefox.

(yes, i know the poor workman blames his tools and all of that, but i'm seriously pissed off that my code is broke somewhere, and I can't find it. needed to vent quietly.)

	22-04-2005 07:16									#2
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I love Firefox.

	22-04-2005 07:24									#3
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it's a piece of **** that doesn't render properly.

	22-04-2005 07:30									#4
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Q^3: check out Position is Everything. AFAIK, Firefox renders closeset to the specs - which means, if it doesn't render your code the way you think it should, your code is broken. Have you checked it via the validators at W3C?

You can also test your code in W3C's own Amaya browser.

	22-04-2005 07:32									#5
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Firefox is the great Satan. Praise Internet Eexplorer for it is the chosen browser and is blessed by Allah!

	22-04-2005 07:39									#6
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quote: Q^3: check out Position is Everything. AFAIK, Firefox renders closeset to the specs - which means, if it doesn't render your code the way you think it should, your code is broken. Have you checked it via the validators at W3C?

My code checks out, and I ran it five times through the validator, and went through and compared it with the previous version of the working code.

Two hours, and I finally find one goddamn colon that was supposed to be a semicolon. AUGH!

Firefox doesn't suck anymore. Debugging does.

* Q Cubed cries

	22-04-2005 07:50									#7
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What's the bug # for this that you filed?

	22-04-2005 07:55									#8
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I didn't file a bug number. I knew it was something in the code I'd written, but the only browser that didn't render properly was Firefox.

And this was after it had previously done so. Which is why it was so infuriating.

Firefox doesn't suck anymore, but debugging sure as hell does.

	22-04-2005 07:59									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed I didn't file a bug number. I knew it was something in the code I'd written, but the only browser that didn't render properly was Firefox.

OTOH, I hate MSIE with a passion. I tried to make a list into a horizontal menu with float, and it worked perfectly in FF. However, IE refused (or seemed like) to recognise the float. Hours later I found out that IE won't float a list until you give each one a width. :anrgy: Major curses were promptedly aimed at Microsoft.

quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Two hours, and I finally find one goddamn colon that was supposed to be a semicolon. AUGH!

That would definitely messes up your CSS.

quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Firefox doesn't suck anymore. Debugging does.

Two hours is nothing. I remember once I spent 3 days looking through a Fortran program, finally finding out there's a missing decimal point. That's the sort of situation that makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

	22-04-2005 08:02									#10
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3 days is nothing. We've had teams of full-time developers debugging a Fortran compiler interacting with a user's applications 24/7 for a week, and discovered a else-if ladder had an unreachable condition due to the infamous bounding-off-by-1 error.

	22-04-2005 08:02									#11
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3 days? Ugh, how many lines was it? The thought of having to crawl through thousands of lines makes my eyes implode with despair.

	22-04-2005 08:03									#12
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quote: 3 days is nothing. We've had teams of full-time developers debugging a Fortran compiler interacting with a user's applications 24/7 for a week, and discovered a else-if ladder had an unreachable condition due to the infamous bounding-off-by-1 error.

And you say philosophy is boring. I'd shoot myself in the head if I had to do that.

	22-04-2005 08:03									#13
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This is starting to sound like "Oh, I once caught a fish this big..." or "Oh, my penis is this big..."

	22-04-2005 08:05									#14
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quote: This is starting to sound like "Oh, I once caught a fish this big..." or "Oh, my penis is this big..."

Hopefully those two stories are not connected.

	22-04-2005 08:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed 3 days? Ugh, how many lines was it? The thought of having to crawl through thousands of lines makes my eyes implode with despair.

If it were thousands of lines I wouldn't be so upset. It was only a few pages long.

	22-04-2005 08:06									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon And you say philosophy is boring. I'd shoot myself in the head if I had to do that.

Those are few and far between, and when they do happen, you get paid a huge amount of money extra because it becomes "consulting".

	22-04-2005 08:07									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger If it were thousands of lines I wouldn't be so upset. It was only a few pages long.

You just suck, then...

I can see why you didn't go into software development.

	22-04-2005 08:08									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Those are few and far between, and when they do happen, you get paid a huge amount of money extra because it becomes "consulting".

I didn't get paid. :/

	22-04-2005 08:09									#19
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quote: Those are few and far between, and when they do happen, you get paid a huge amount of money extra because it becomes "consulting".

Those whores that get buttraped with those spiky things get paid big too. I still don't wanna do it.

	22-04-2005 08:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You just suck, then... I can see why you didn't go into software development.

I found out a compiler bug and a workaround by myself with no aid in 3 days. How long did the IBM team take to find out a compiler bug?

I feel so good now.

	22-04-2005 08:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I found out a compiler bug and a workaround by myself with no aid in 3 days. How long did the IBM team take to find out a compiler bug? I feel so good now.

Was your program three million lines long and in a very specific Linux environment using specific processors?

	22-04-2005 08:23									#22
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give it up Asher. UR pwned you big time with that last one. you just don't know when to move on.

	22-04-2005 08:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by pchang give it up Asher. UR pwned you big time with that last one. you just don't know when to move on.

or

	22-04-2005 08:27									#24
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quote: I found out a compiler bug and a workaround by myself with no aid in 3 days. How long did the IBM team take to find out a compiler bug?

Yes, but you didn't waste most of your time congratulating yourself on how great you are, like the IBM people did.

	22-04-2005 15:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Riesstiu IV Firefox is the great Satan. Praise Internet Eexplorer for it is the chosen browser and is blessed by Allah!

Sheik Gates hates our freedom.

	22-04-2005 18:25									#26
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	22-04-2005 23:28									#27
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Just when we are at it:

There is a problem with Firefox, maybe one of you can help me.
Everytime I write an apostrophe ' , the ctrl+f bar at the bottom pops up and this is extremely annoying. I am (yes, I AM, WE ARE, HE CANNOT) almost toying with the idea of returning to IE because of this little stupid problem

	22-04-2005 23:36									#28
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why go with IE?

Opera 8 is out! And if they gets a million downloads by saturday, the CEO will swim from Finland to the US!

(Heck, you don't even have to install it, I just want to see whether the CEO does this. )

	22-04-2005 23:36									#29
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It pops up even as you type in a text box?

	23-04-2005 00:07									#30
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So, just for the record - the problem wasn't a Firefox problem, but a code bug and the fact that all other browsers (and the validator) incorrectly accepted your code - is that right?

Sounds like you should submit your code sample to W3C and tell them their validator is broken.