22-04-2005 07:57									#1
	Exploiting the musketeer and knight slot feature Remove this text

Now in the past we've thought of the Musketeer slot and Gunpowder, as well as the Knight slot as something to avoid, as it makes all units with weaker stats and the same move point go obsolete.

Here however, I'm thinking of using it as a feature to prevent one civ from building certain units.

My question is how exactly do the mechanics of this work?

From Sleague:

quote: The game will not let any nation (computer- or player-controlled) build any unit other than the one in the musketeer slot if it can be built or if a nation controls just one such unit! This affects all ground units wherever they reside in units.txt, and regardless of their scenario roles. It's best to use this slot for units only available to barbarians so the problem does not occur. Note: This is 'version dependent' - in that some versions of Civ2 will allow the 'earlier' slots to be active even though the musketeer slot is open to the building schedule. The bottom line - handle with care. The computer does a similar analysis with the knight unit slot and all units with movement allowances greater than one (anything from horsemen to crusaders, plus any earlier unit with the same movement allowance). A designer must be careful to have a unit with the lowest defense value here if there are earlier units being built.

From Poly forum

quote: The rule is that when the tech in the gunpowder slot is discovered all units become obsolete that have a role of 1 and a defense less than the unit in the Mustketeer slot, regardless of whether the unit in the musketeer slot is buildable nor not.

From Civfan

quote: Gun Powder Gun Powder is the trigger advance which disallows the construction of units with the same role as the unit in the musketeer slot and with inferior attack/defence factors than the musketeer unit. I strongly suggest you either do not use the gun powder tech or do not use the musketeer unit slot. (the Knight slot has a similar effect but I have not been able to isolate the trigger advance).

Or is this more trouble than its worth, and I ought to just use the "Reverse obsolescence technology" method where Civ A gets the tech that makes Civ B's units obsolete?

	22-04-2005 20:10									#2
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My understanding is that once the unit in that slot becomes buildable for a particular civ, the units of the same type to the left of the slot become unbuildable for that civ. I don't know what factors determine "of the same type". I assume it's the role and/or the movement.

I think the idea has merit.

	23-04-2005 07:53									#3
	Remove this text

In that case, looks like it's time for some experimentation.

	23-04-2005 23:49									#4
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Test results:
First run rules.txt

code:

Warriors,     Feu, 0,  1.,0,  1a,1d,  1h,1f,  1,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Phalanx,      Feu, 0,  1.,0,  1a,4d,  1h,1f,  2,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Archers,      Gun, 0,  1.,0,  3a,3d,  1h,1f,  3,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Legion,       Gun, 0,  1.,0,  4a,2d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Pikemen,      Gun, 0,  1.,0,  1a,2d,  1h,1f,  2,0,  1, nil, 000010000000000
Musketeers,   Csc, 0,  1.,0,  3a,3d,  2h,1f,  3,0,  1, Gun, 000000000000000
Fanatics,     nil, 0,  1.,0,  4a,4d,  2h,1f,  2,0,  1, nil, 000100000000000
Partisans,    nil, 0,  1.,0,  4a,4d,  2h,1f,  5,0,  1, nil, 000001000000010
Alpine Troops,nil, 0,  1.,0,  5a,2d,  2h,1f,  5,0,  1, nil, 000001000000000
Riflemen,     nil, 0,  1.,0,  2a,4d,  2h,1f,  4,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000

code:

Archers,      nil, 0,  1.,0,  2a,3d,  1h,1f,  3,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Legion,       nil, 0,  1.,0,  4a,2d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Pikemen,      nil, 0,  1.,0,  1a,2d,  1h,1f,  2,0,  0, nil, 000010000000000

code:

Horsemen,     nil, 0,  2.,0,  2a,1d,  1h,1f,  2,0,  1, nil, 000000000000000
Chariot,      PT,  0,  2.,0,  3a,1d,  1h,1f,  3,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Elephant,     MT,  0,  2.,0,  6a,1d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Crusaders,    Ldr, 0,  2.,0,  3a,3d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Knights,      Ldr, 0,  2.,0,  5a,3d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Dragoons,     Tac, 0,  2.,0,  4a,3d,  1h,1f,  5,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Cavalry,      Mob, 0,  2.,0,  5a,1d,  1h,1f,  6,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Armor,        nil, 0,  3.,0,  2a,2d,  3h,1f,  8,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000
Catapult,     Met, 0,  2.,0,  2a,4d,  1h,1f,  4,0,  0, nil, 000000000000000

	23-04-2005 23:49									#5
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Double Post

	24-04-2005 05:40									#6
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1)

What happens if you change the role for Musketeers / Knights?

2)

I don't think the AI will send units roled as defense to attack, but it will probably use them to attack units adjacent to their cities rather than defend and probably be massacred...