23-04-2005 21:39									#1
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Hello again. This will be the continuing from the old "An Epic Mafia scenario" thread, as that too vanished in that damn delete thing.

Anyway, the beta is ready on my computer. But before I release any packages I would need you, John (AGRICOLA), to do a little service for me. An offer you can't refuse, if you may Could you remove global warming from this sav? When you've done so, I'll post the beta version so you guys can help me test it

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Last edited by Eivind IV on 25-04-2005 at 22:26

	23-04-2005 21:49									#2
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¨For those of you who don't remember what I'm talking about, it's a rise and fall scenario covering the Italian mafia in NYC. Starting in 1933, ending in 1990.

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	24-04-2005 00:59									#3
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Here's the altered save that you requested. Glad to be of very minor help.

Please test it yourself because I didn't get very far with using the save with vanilla CIV2 auxiliary files. Did learn one thing. Don't whack the wrong guy(s), it gets mighty expensive.



PS From what little I saw, this scen could well be titled "SLAUGHTER ON FIFTH AVENUE". The AI hoods go absolutely nuts.

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	24-04-2005 02:01									#4
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Woo Hoo! This looks so cool and its almost done at last. Good work Eivind.

	25-04-2005 19:22									#5
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Cheers, John! Nomatter how much of an effort it was it is highly apreciated!

Anyway, for what it's worth, here's the beta. I've done some minor play tests myself, and I'm not very pleased with the way it works. There's simply just too few civs, and the only way to include other ethnic gangsters than Italians, I had to place them in the barbarian slot. So, the non-Italian gansters goes frantic on everyone, and so does the police on them.

Also, another observation I made was that the AI is absolutely in no way able to think about consequences for their actions. They take no consideration to the fact that there is an event that generates FBI agents every time a NYPD officer is whacked. So, for SP this seems fairly hopeless. I'm pretty fed up right now. I just hope this won't be my "The Blitz"

But nonetheless, I've spent hundreds of hours on this scenario so far, so I'd apreciate comments of any kind if anything can be improved. Keep in mind that this is only a very early beta version. I'm open to change proposals.

Some hints before starting to play:

MOBSPEAK:
Don't think that it is my English there's something wrong with when reading the pop up windows and the meeting with the AI. I've done my best to translate all the text files to mobspeak, to add some flavour to the scen.

BE CAREFUL:
Be extremely careful with attacking police officers of any kind, as they will immediately call on the FBI for assistance. Also, killing civilians is not a very good idea. By killing other ethnic gangsters, you will only encourage them to rise up against you, so bear this in mind before playing. But then again, it's your job to keep unorganized bullies away from your neighborhoods to protect your interests and the people living there.

TERRAIN INFO:
Irrigation, Farmland and Mining have been renamed Bars, Restaurants and Hotels. It has most of the same effects as in vanilla civ, but do take a look at the terrain section in civilopedia for a more detailed description. All terrains have their own distinct feature.

Don't bother building roads, as the effect of roads have been disabled.

Also, the terrain transformation time has been drastically reduced, in order to encourage the players to go into the construction business, which has a history of mafia relation in NYC.

Here's what they transform to:

Non Habitated ---> Low Dense Res.
Low Dense Res. ---> Residential
Residential ---> Upper Class Res.
Upper Class Res ---> Commercial

Docks ---> Industrial
Commercial ---> Industrial
Industrial ---> Estates
Park ---> Estates
Estates ---> Commercial

So, don't hesitate to transform terrain. It will only take you 5 turns. Irrigation etc 4.

ADDITIONAL INFO:
Cars are in reality naval units and the roads are ocean with pollution as an overlaying terrain. Global warming has been removed from the scenario, and no roads lead into the Hudson river or any other NY water surrondings.

To keep up with the AI tech race you should prioritize trade.

Enjoy, but don't enjoy too much, remember to report back!

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Last edited by Eivind IV on 25-04-2005 at 20:14

	25-04-2005 19:42									#6
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Say Eivind, I hate to do this to you as you already have enough concerns on hand, but I wasn't able to download the pics you wanted use in the title up until now, I was just ready to stick them into the title graphic and they seem to have been removed. Any chance you can post them again in a zip folder?

Also, what was the official name you wanted this game to be given?

	25-04-2005 19:48									#7
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I posted them for you at CDG on your request, remember? : http://www.evo-games.net/Home/viewt...r=asc&&start=15

And "Mafia" is the main title. But as an undertitle something sounding like this "The rise and fall of the La Cosa Nostra". If it's too long, then just "La Cosa Nostra" would be adequate. Thanks again, Chris!

	25-04-2005 20:19									#8
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I forget, is this a civ2 messageboard or a SimCity message board? holy crap!

	25-04-2005 21:58									#9
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Eivind IV this is looking incredible

	25-04-2005 23:16									#10
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NEver comment on something before downloading it... I think you've found a way around the problems I suggested...

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	27-04-2005 19:23									#11
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Apart from graphics, are there any constructive observations and suggestions from the now 12 downloaders? I spent a lot of time on this and some input would be apreciated.

	27-04-2005 21:28									#12
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One point.
The AI police probably aren't intelligent enough to research all their advanced techs it might be better if they were human controlled.

	27-04-2005 23:35									#13
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Having to click the OK on the dialogue box after every "UNIT makes drive by shooting" gets annoying.

	30-04-2005 15:23									#14
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Did anyone actually play this at all?

	30-04-2005 16:41									#15
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Gonna take a peek at this one!

	30-04-2005 17:05									#16
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Playing as the Gambino mob:

*The opening text needs proof-read.

*Love the battle animation, very innovative!

*This baby needs sounds! I will help you if needed!

*Excellent idea to have cars as transport for the thugs!

*Are the cars meant to be called 'Automobil'?...

*Despite the flurry of warring at the start, things do level out as the battle lines settle down.

*Rename the worker functions on the menus.

*Veteran should be renamed to 'soldier' or some other mafia honour rank.

*A diplo conversation was began between two piles of crates!
(Not really a bug, but it looked damn funny all the same!)

*The unit balance of attack/defence is quite good.
(It represents the use of tommy guns rather well!)

*The use of an FBI warrant for the riot symbol is great, nice one!

*The diplo box must be resized, it is too wide. Try 300-400 width.

*Whores in crates! What are these sicko Mafia doing?

*The 'non-amphibious unit' message is a good one!

*Hey! I is kicking de butts of dose Bonanno S.O.Bs!

*More to come!

	30-04-2005 17:07									#17
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PS

I love sending the cars out, loaded 'wif da boys' to break
some kneecaps and do some work wif da 'chicago type-writers!'

	30-04-2005 20:38									#18
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On the Intro Information "t he Brooklyn Docks"

On the Intro Information "American po pular culture"

For commodities: "Buttlegging"?


My points also cover what Curt said too. Just little things.

I do love the scenario. I am currently kicking the **** out of the Bonnano's, just like Curt is. The NYPD are really pissed off and are mowing through the droves of Harlem gangs running Upper Manhattan. I can see that the Bronx will become a problem for me as there are about twenty hoods making inroads into Queens. I'm sure the cops will be a pain in the butt soon enough. I'm sure I could talk about unit strengths or whatever, but I'd rather mow through everything in site. The whole theme is just fun.

Eivind, this is a kickass scenario. I just love carving out my little niche in NYC! Add some sound, some wonderful bits from the Sopranos and The Godfather, and this scenario will be golden.

I can't say enough, this is exciting. I'll add some more stuff if I can find anything.

	30-04-2005 20:43									#19
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Yep!

Soon dose Bonnano bums will be 'sleeping wit da fishes!'

	30-04-2005 20:53									#20
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I am noticing one annoying problem that I think is a bit unfair. I attacked NYC and war was declared. The NYPD activated their alliance with NYC and now I'm at war with the cops. This isn't so bad, but everytime a cop attacks me, and loses, I get docked $1500. Maybe this amount should be lowered to only a few hundred.

	01-05-2005 16:38									#21
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@Curt:

Thanks for taking a look, Curt!

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *This baby needs sounds! I will help you if needed!

Whatever you can offer is apreciated! I do however have some sounds on my comp, but I just withheld them since this is only beta version. But sounds will indeed come.

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *Are the cars meant to be called 'Automobil'?...

Yes, it is. Is that incorrect? I thought that was what cas were named in the old days...

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *Veteran should be renamed to 'soldier' or some other mafia honour rank.

I agree!

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *A diplo conversation was began between two piles of crates! (Not really a bug, but it looked damn funny all the same!)

The old familiar dumb ass AI

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *The diplo box must be resized, it is too wide. Try 300-400 width.

I just the standart withs. I'll try to withen them

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *Whores in crates! What are these sicko Mafia doing?

That does sound a little off, I agree

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *The 'non-amphibious unit' message is a good one!

Thanks!

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling *More to come!

Thanks for the feedback, Curt! All points noted. I only adressed some of them here

@Harry:

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle On the Intro Information "t he Brooklyn Docks" On the Intro Information "American po pular culture"

I've noticed that as well. The thing is that It looks fine in the *.txt-file. But somehow the intro text divides several words for reasons I don't understand. But I've noticed this in many scenarios.

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle For commodities: "Buttlegging"?

It's a word I picked up from a mobspeak site. It's bootlegging untaxed cigarettes. I'll come back with better and more explanations in the readme for the release

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle I do love the scenario. I am currently kicking the **** out of the Bonnano's, just like Curt is. The NYPD are really pissed off and are mowing through the droves of Harlem gangs running Upper Manhattan. I can see that the Bronx will become a problem for me as there are about twenty hoods making inroads into Queens. I'm sure the cops will be a pain in the butt soon enough. I'm sure I could talk about unit strengths or whatever, but I'd rather mow through everything in site. The whole theme is just fun. Eivind, this is a kickass scenario. I just love carving out my little niche in NYC! Add some sound, some wonderful bits from the Sopranos and The Godfather, and this scenario will be golden. Add some sound, some wonderful bits from the Sopranos and The Godfather, and this scenario will be golden.

Thanks, Harry! I do actually have both Sopranos and Godfather sounds on my comp for the scenario. They're already in the sound folder, and I'm playing with them. I also came over a brilliant scenario theme So, sounds will indeed come.

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle I am noticing one annoying problem that I think is a bit unfair. I attacked NYC and war was declared. The NYPD activated their alliance with NYC and now I'm at war with the cops. This isn't so bad, but everytime a cop attacks me, and loses, I get docked $1500. Maybe this amount should be lowered to only a few hundred.

Will be corrected!

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle I can't say enough, this is exciting. I'll add some more stuff if I can find anything.

Thanks for the feedback, Harry!

	01-05-2005 20:41									#22
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Your welcome.

I believe automobile is spelled incorrectly. It should have an "e" on the end. I think this is what Curt was pointing out.

Also, "PARENTAL WARNING: Cotains unsuitable...". Contains has an "n" in it.

As for the spaces between the lettering:

quote: @SCENARIO @width=600 @title=%STRING0 ^^Length: %STRING1 to %STRING2 ^ ^^MAFIA - La Cosa Nostra ^ The mafia is a basic part of American life, deniance or not. Every generation has had its underworld kings. Unforgettable personalities that commit unspeakable crimes. We call them names like Al "Scarface" Capone, "Lucky" Luciano or "the Dapper Don". ^ ...American popular culture, portrayed in movies, TV shows, and even product commercials. ^ ^^This is the story of the Italian mafia's rise and fall in New York City. ^ ^^PARENTAL WARNING: Cotains unsuitable language for children! ;-) @end -- this line must be here!

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quote: @SCENARIO @width=550 @title=GOLD GULCH ^^GOLD GULCH ^^BLACK HILLS TERRITORY ^^APRIL, 1870 ^^A Scenario by Harry Tuttle @listbox16 @options RULES: % Tony says "Stugatz!" and the mobsters exchange RETURN icy looks at each other. RETURN % Paulie Walnuts just loved the picture of Tony RETURN so he had it framed and put up in his living room RETURN as a reminder that Tony was indeed a general RETURN to his men. % @end -- this line must be here!

Try adding returns at the end of each 50 characters or so to create a paragraph in the title text. I have found that Civ will make its own spaces to fit the text in the title window if you just have long lines of text. Also, you may want to look into making the opening text a list box. This gives you more space to write.

	11-05-2005 19:25									#23
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I'm getting a 'stack trace not yet available' error when I try to run this scenario. I've seen it before when I tried to play Alpha Centauri. Anyway, anyone anything?

	12-05-2005 00:20									#24
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Just a small little note, Shea Stadium didn't open until the start of the 1964 baseball season. Unless the "Shee" stadium you refer to in the game is indeed another stadium all together that is.

	12-05-2005 09:17									#25
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I'll see if I can play some this weekend.

	12-05-2005 13:32									#26
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@Harry Tuttle:
Thanks for that tip!

@biru biru:
Sounds weird. Are you sure you have MGE installed?

@Sarsstock:
That's probably a glip, Chris

@N35t0r:
that would be breat nestor

	13-05-2005 12:40									#27
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Scenario looaded on another machine. Off the hook! New problem though, game crashed when I took my first car out. Sounds like everyone is fine though, so probably the computer I'm using...

	17-05-2005 05:17									#28
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This is just the kind of scenario of been looking for. The only other Mafia scenario I've found was on CivFanatics, but the damn thing was in french or something. I'll give you my thoughts on this in a few days when I have time to play.

	17-05-2005 06:24									#29
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Looking forward to it.

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Argh! I'm getting an invalid page fault that shuts down the whole program whenever I try to run the scenario. Any ideas on how to remedy this? I am using MGE by the way.