24-04-2005 12:20									#1
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I've been saying this for years. Them along with the NY Times are shameful news organizations.

Apparantly the BBC is in the business of creating news.

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Long story short, the BBC planted some hecklers at a conservative party function. Granted this isn't as bad as Bush having a fake reporter on his staff, but I don't consider the Bush administration trustworthy either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml

	24-04-2005 12:27									#2
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I realised that Harper had a tough row to hoe, but even the BBC is against him?

	24-04-2005 12:27									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Them along with the NY Times are shameful news organizations.

You always have to go the extra mile and ruin a potentially valid point, don't you?

The NYT may have had its scandal, but it's still one of the greatest news sources out there. You will find better, more accurate coverage of national and international news there than you will in any other American newspaper. There's nothing shameful about that.

	24-04-2005 12:32									#4
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Can we get another cite on this? One tabloid reporting something just isn't going to do it for me.

	24-04-2005 12:33									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You always have to go the extra mile and ruin a potentially valid point, don't you? The NYT may have had its scandal, but it's still one of the greatest news sources out there. You will find better, more accurate coverage of national and international news there than you will in any other American newspaper. There's nothing shameful about that.

biased news is not news. I feel the same way about conservative newpapers and channels (such as Fox News)

Is it too much to ask for a news organization to remain impartial and neutral?

	24-04-2005 12:34									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Can we get another cite on this? One tabloid reporting something just isn't going to do it for me.

yeah, I'm hoping for someone who lives over there to confirm it.

	24-04-2005 12:36									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident biased news is not news.

How is the news reporting of the NYT biased? Don't conflate the editorial page with the news section.

	24-04-2005 12:38									#8
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Oh, and I'm with Boris... the NY Times is one of the best news sources in the US. It is no more biased than any other media outlet in the country.

	24-04-2005 12:39									#9
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Oh, ****.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4477901.stm

quote: Tory anger over BBC heckler show The Tory party has demanded an apology from the BBC over a programme which it says encouraged heckling at a meeting where Michael Howard was speaking. The Sunday Telegraph says it accused the BBC of "serious misconduct" after producers equipped hecklers in Horwich, near Bolton, with radio microphones. But the corporation said it was making a legitimate programme on the history and art of political heckling. However, it said it would be investigating the complaint thoroughly. Slogans In a letter to Helen Boaden, the director of BBC News, Guy Black, the head of Conservative communications said the event was "pre-meditated" and intended to embarrass Mr Howard and disrupt his speech. He said hecklers at the meeting in Horwich had shouted out slogans such as "Michael Howard is a liar" and "You can only trust Tony Blair". Mr Black said staff were in breach of BBC producer guidelines. But the corporation said the producers were making a programme for BBC Three called The History of Heckling. In a statement it said the producers had observed hecklers at the meetings of other parties and that the hecklers were not under the direction of the BBC. "The incident at the Michael Howard meeting only plays a small part in the overall programme," the statement said. "However, we will be investigating the complaint very thoroughly and will be replying in due course."

But the corporation said it was making a legitimate programme on the history and art of political heckling.

...by planting hecklers in a political event during an election campaign?

Oh, ****, that's funny ****!

	24-04-2005 12:43									#10
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Um... it seems the Tory party is only demanding an apology for ENCOURAGING hecklers, not planting them. It seems the hecklers were there anyway, the BBC just equipped them with radio microphones. The BBC did not control the hecklers, just miked them.

	24-04-2005 12:46									#11
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The Sunday Telegraph says it accused the BBC of "serious misconduct" after producers equipped hecklers in Horwich, near Bolton, with radio microphones.

Let's see if that bears out.

	24-04-2005 12:50									#12
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The telegraph isnt what I would describe as a tabloid. I will pop down the shop and see what the papers have to say about it.

	24-04-2005 12:55									#13
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What's the actions of a lightweight documentary team got to do with BBC news?

	24-04-2005 12:56									#14
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The Telegraph is a reputable broadsheet paper. Its also a Tory paper.

	24-04-2005 12:59									#15
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quote: He said hecklers at the meeting in Horwich had shouted out slogans such as "Michael Howard is a liar" and "You can only trust Tony Blair".

And the BBC is noted for its unswerving dedication to the cause of promoting Tony Blair.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp What's the actions of a lightweight documentary team got to do with BBC news?

I suspect Dissident doesn't realize that there is a difference between BBC network and BBC news.

	24-04-2005 13:08									#17
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I suppose Diss thinks that people shouting "Michael Howard is a liar!" would be considered newsworthy enough to get reported on actual BBC news. That's quite funny.

	24-04-2005 13:11									#18
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Amazing. This has to be the first time I see a Telegraph article that is not a blatant lie

	24-04-2005 13:17									#19
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what on earth is a "heckler"?

	24-04-2005 13:19									#20
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Someone who disturbs the political meeting of an opponent, I guess

	24-04-2005 13:20									#21
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Someone who continuously jeers, sneers, or otherwise attempts to embarrass a person such as a stand up comic or politician, but I repeat myself..

	24-04-2005 13:20									#22
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The Mail has the story as well, unsurprisingly enough, although they havent felt the need to make it their frontpage headline.

Apparently one problem is because the documentary makers are in breach of the BBCs charter wrt impartiality at election time. If only they had managed to film hecklers at a Blair speech as well then we wouldnt even have a story

	24-04-2005 13:23									#23
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Snotty, is the Fourth Protocol in the Mail today?

	24-04-2005 13:34									#24
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er...I dont know mate.

	24-04-2005 13:36									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what on earth is a "heckler"?

Most of the people who post regularly in Poly OT would be guilty.

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B O R I N G !!!!

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U N I M P O R T A N T!!!!

	24-04-2005 15:49									#28
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This is not as bad as when Australia's A Current Affair program (or was it Today Tonight or Sixty Minutes? They're pretty similar anyway) decided to invite a Japanese cannibal (was extradited from a western country, forget which one, for eating a man) to a nightclub in a Japanese city, and then introduced him to a group of Australian girls working there (without telling them who he was... one of them even ended up giving him her mobile number). And the story was then designed to warn Australian women of the dangers of working in Japan's nightclub district. Of course it's dangerous for them if a TV show introduces them to a bloody cannibal without telling them!!

	24-04-2005 16:18									#29
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"Is it too much to ask for a news organization to remain impartial and neutral?"

No. But it can't be a business or private entity. Sorry. There can't be any business driven agendas or anything behind it. In here, fortunately we have it. You guys? Tough luck.

	24-04-2005 17:05									#30
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quote: B O R I N G !!!!

quote: U N I M P O R T A N T !!!!

to people not realizing the threat to world peace and stability coming from Teh Great BBC-led conspiracy of "Hecklers United Against Conservatives"