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Bosh is offline Bosh
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Editorial:

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Can We Ask Soldiers to Die for Such a Country?

Kim Jong-seon, the widow of Petty Officer Han Sang-guk, who was killed in a June 2002 naval battle with North Korea in the West Sea, turned her back on her homeland Sunday and boarded a flight bound for the United States. Before getting on her flight, she said, ¡°If the indifference and inhospitality shown to those soldiers who were killed or wounded protecting the nation continue, what soldier will lay down his life in the battlefield?¡±
In the battle on June 29, 2002 -- one day prior to the closing ceremony of the Korea-Japan World Cup -- six sailors were killed and 18 wounded when a North Korean patrol boat that had crossed over the northern line of control ambushed a South Korean naval vessel. The bereaved have spent the last three years in an atmosphere where it was difficult to even grieve. Nervous government officials, worrying that the incident might cast a pall over the Sunshine Policy, even warned the families to please be quiet.

During the first two remembrance ceremonies in 2003 and 2004, not one high-ranking government official, let alone the defense minister, showed up. The person who did send condolence letters to the bereaved was not a Korean government official but the commander of the U.S. Forces in Korea. A request by the families to move the bullet-riddled South Korean patrol boat to the Yongsan War Memorial, to show people that here were men who gave their lives for the country, were ignored. ¡°Our children who lost their lives to the enemy are being treated like criminals who tried to ruin the atmosphere of intra-Korean reconciliation,¡± one family member said.

From the time of the 2002 battle to the end of that year, there were nationwide candlelight vigils to mourn the death of two schoolgirls killed when they were run over by a U.S. armored vehicle. Any civic group worth its salt was there. In June 2004, right around the time of the second anniversary, a crowd of 5,000, including party and government figures, gathered at the funeral of Kim Sun-il, who was killed in Iraq. Their deaths, too, were heartbreaking, but they were not killed defending their country like those who were killed in the West Sea fight.

The Republic of Korea is a nation that does not remember soldiers who answered the country¡¯s call and died fighting for it. It is a nation that silences the bereaved for fear of upsetting the enemy who shot their sons for no reason. Is it a nation that has the right to ask the soldiers who even now guard the DMZ to give their lives for it?


Sad sad sad sad sad. I'm really hoping that the right-wing Han Nara Dang sweeps the next elections and unseats these jokers.

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This is a classic piece of crypto-fascist drivel. I'm surprised you were taken in by it, Boshko.

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This is a classic piece of crypto-fascist drivel. I'm surprised you were taken in by it, Boshko.

I completely agree. Why, next people will be wanting to overthrow the Dear Leader!

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One of my Korean freinds here in the US thinks that the US should get out of south korea, and that than North Korea and South Korea could reunite....

I am not sure what many South Koreans are thinking.

Jon miller

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I completely agree. Why, next people will be wanting to overthrow the Dear Leader!


The people who write things like that just want to replace one dear leader with another.

Militarist grovelling.

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One of my Korean freinds here in the US thinks that the US should get out of south korea, and that than North Korea and South Korea could reunite....

I am not sure what many South Koreans are thinking.

Jon miller


Of course, if only those meany Americans would just leave then Kim Jong Il would be all nice and friendly and stop hurting people

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This is a classic piece of crypto-fascist drivel.

Nope, just simple pointing out of blatant hypocrisy. If Japan talks about a useless piece of rock there's people setting themselves on fire on protest, if US soldiers accidentally run over people everything goes ape-**** about how they ran them over on purpose. But if the NKoreans invade SKorean territorial waters and attack a patrol boat, the bereaved get **** and lips stay firmly planted on the Dear Leader's ass. That's just wrong any way you look at it.

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But if the NKoreans invade SKorean territorial waters and attack a patrol boat, the bereaved get **** and lips stay firmly planted on the Dear Leader's ass. That's just wrong any way you look at it.


It's called being smart and keeping your mouth shut to avoid trouble.

Az is offline Az
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SKoreans want peace so much that they're deluding themselves. charming, but dangerous.

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SKoreans want peace so much that they're deluding themselves. charming, but dangerous.


KJI doesn't want war either. He's just prepared to scoot close to it to get what he wants.

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I completely agree. Why, next people will be wanting to overthrow the Dear Leader!


Ming would catch you and ban you first.

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Agathon will be a ***** in prison.

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Agathon will be a ***** in prison.


Nah. I'm too ugly.

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I don't think that matters, sweet cheeks.

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I don't think that matters, sweet cheeks.


The voice of experience?

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I killed 53 people in Finland and consequently spent the best 6 years of my life cooped up in an Arctic hellhole...

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Militarist grovelling


Speaking of Mr. Sunshine...

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I killed 53 people in Finland and consequently spent the best 6 years of my life cooped up in an Arctic hellhole...


Buggered by Finns in the cold. How awful...

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I killed 53 people in Finland and consequently spent the best 6 years of my life cooped up in an Arctic hellhole...


I dont remember killing anyone, or being in Finland for that matter, but I too have spent the past few years in an Arctice hellhole.

Prison really works!

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But if the NKoreans invade SKorean territorial waters and attack a patrol boat, the bereaved get **** and lips stay firmly planted on the Dear Leader's ass. That's just wrong any way you look at it.


It's called being smart and keeping your mouth shut to avoid trouble.


Sounds like you're one of those who'd just enjoy getting raped.

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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Buggered by Finns in the cold. How awful...


Actually, most of the buggery took place in the sauna...

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Sounds like you're one of those who'd just enjoy getting raped.


Quiet, virgin.

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But if the NKoreans invade SKorean territorial waters and attack a patrol boat, the bereaved get **** and lips stay firmly planted on the Dear Leader's ass. That's just wrong any way you look at it.


It's called being smart and keeping your mouth shut to avoid trouble.


Ah, the famed "coward" school of foreign policy. Certainly worthy of emulation.

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Ah, the famed "coward" school of foreign policy. Certainly worthy of emulation.


Would you rather escalate, when the world's largest artillery barrage is aimed at Seoul?

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Ah, the famed "coward" school of foreign policy. Certainly worthy of emulation.


Would you rather escalate, when the world's largest artillery barrage is aimed at Seoul?


False dilemma, I wouldn't think that a philosophy prof would use such a blatant logical fallacy. There are other options besides escalation and abject grovelling.

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I killed 53 people in Finland and consequently spent the best 6 years of my life cooped up in an Arctic hellhole...


You'll be knighted for such a great service to humanity if you ever come by this way.

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So sad for the families of those brave sailers...horrible of the SK government. Pencil pushers afraid of their own shadows no doubt. Bring those families to the US. Make good Americans I think.

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I killed 53 people in Finland and consequently spent the best 6 years of my life cooped up in an Arctic hellhole...


HA! If you were a first time mass killer in Finland then you'd get 5 years tops.

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One of my Korean freinds here in the US thinks that the US should get out of south korea, and that than North Korea and South Korea could reunite....

I am not sure what many South Koreans are thinking.

Jon miller


Pulling out our troops wouldn’t be such a bad idea in my opinions. We wouldn’t have to put up with stupid regional politics. Let South Korea deal with their own problems. In fact we should do the same for Japan and Europe.

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Would you rather escalate, when the world's largest artillery barrage is aimed at Seoul?


The man has a point Agathon, it is the "Coward" school of international relations.

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Pulling out our troops wouldn’t be such a bad idea in my opinions. We wouldn’t have to put up with stupid regional politics. Let South Korea deal with their own problems. In fact we should do the same for Japan and Europe.


Obvviously a well thought out line of reasoning. It's astounding they tapped Rice to be Secretary of the State instead of you!




Or doing those things could leave us in the crapper when things go bad and we have nowehre to base out of.

 
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