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In the last decades, education and respect has takin a turn for the worst imo. Not so much in the sense of knowledge but more from a ''motivation'' point of view.
It seems that more and more people get less and less motivated in young years. Playing and having fun always comes first. Lets compare education 40 years ago and that of today. It use to be a lot more strict, parents used to be more strict and a lot less attention was brought to teenagers by advertising and the media. Now the kids want this, the kids want that.
It's like they rule the world now, stars are aimed at teenagers, silly hip gangster wannabes are aimed at teenagers, clothes, cars, looks and it's all a game of which will piss farther then the last. And more and more bums seem to be out there.
In schools they try to make education more and more fun. Well I got news for you kid, life ain't only fun and games. And we can notice the change when these kids start working.
I dont know if it's also because now you have to study for 25 years to get a decent job or else you wash dishes 40 hours a week....unless you start your own business. But even if you do, chances are you'll get eaten down by big corporations like Home depot and such. Notice that in the last 10 years, every small hardware store has disapeared.

What's it going to be like in next 40 years if we compare the change we had in the last 40 years? Study for 50 years before you work? How will people be motivated to go to school if they know it will never end and on top of that having the media and advertising companies giving them ''support'' on how life is so hard for a kid? And who in there right mind would want to start a business unless they come up with some sure idea? (and probably because they studied for half a century....)

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When posts usualy only expressed at most 2 compatible opinions.



What exactly is your rant?

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IMO; kids are slaves to media because ppl are greedy, and therefore ppl become greedy and become bums, because schools take to long, and what we really need is one of those devices like on Matrix where you can download skills directly into your brain.

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IMO; kids are slaves to media because ppl are greedy, and therefore ppl become greedy and become bums, because schools take to long, and what we really need is one of those devices like on Matrix where you can download skills directly into your brain.


What I mean is:

kids are slaves to media because ppl are greedy, and therefore ppl become greedy and become bums because schools take to long.
Kids want everything now but dont want to give anything in return. But if they ever want to give something to get what they want, it takes 25 years of school or a gamble to start your own business without education. Imagine in 40 years. How can we compensate for this with the way we are heading now?

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The good old days were never that good.

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But better. Easier to find a job, people WANTED to work, could keep a job for 25 years and climb up the corporate ladder. You dont see to many of these cases today. Either you study and climb or just sit there and roth in the same position.....

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It was easier then to get started in life then than it is today.

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It was also a lot easier to die then.

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why do the older generation say the younger generation is going down the tubes.

I'm not saying he's wrong. What he's saying is true. But is this a bad thing? Perhaps our society has become so advanced we don't need to work as hard and study as hard. We can have computers and machines do it for us (and nerds to program these computers are always available).

change is inevitable, deal with it.

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What I mean is:

kids are slaves to media because ppl are greedy, and therefore ppl become greedy and become bums because schools take to long.
Kids want everything now but dont want to give anything in return. But if they ever want to give something to get what they want, it takes 25 years of school or a gamble to start your own business without education. Imagine in 40 years. How can we compensate for this with the way we are heading now?


Ah, now I understand.

The Great Western Rat Race, which has it's roots in The Golden Rule (He who has the gold makes the rules).

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It was also a lot easier to die then.



How? Except for the fact that cars were weak and the dash board targeted your forhead if you crashed. Less pollution, no STM, 90% less cancer......Please. And that's not even part of the thread topic.

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why do the older generation say the younger generation is going down the tubes.


I'm 27 btw.

quote:

change is inevitable, deal with it.


I will deal with it....my question is, how will it change? How can we anticipate this?

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Mark this day, Spec.

For it's the day you officially turned old.

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How? Except for the fact that cars were weak and the dash board targeted your forhead if you crashed. Less pollution, no STM, 90% less cancer......Please. And that's not even part of the thread topic.


Check out life expectancy tables. They might not answer your question of "how", but they surely should lay to rest any doubts as to Che's claim.

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I'm 27 btw.



I will deal with it....my question is, how will it change? How can we anticipate this?


27 means you are no longer part of the younger generation.

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In Australia it seems the apprentice labourers are making more than University graduates. My mechanic and carpenter friends are making more than I'm hoping to... even with an honours degree and possibly a phd. But I'm doing it for the knowledge not the money...

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How? Except for the fact that cars were weak and the dash board targeted your forhead if you crashed. Less pollution, no STM, 90% less cancer......Please. And that's not even part of the thread topic.


TB, pnuenonia, polio, typhoid, cholera, diptheria, etc., etc. The average life expectancy incresaed almost 20 years during the last century. Sure, we get more cancer, cuz we live so much longer now. Food was a lot less safe, although recently poultry has become toxic when uncooked.

Cars are safer, work is safer, planes are safer, our elderly are far less likely to end their days in poverty.

Yeah, a lot of things are new and scary, but that's life in capitalism. It's gonna change, and change fast. Every generation says the children today are lazy slackers who don't know how easy they have things and how school just isn't as rigorous as it used to be. I've heard the same **** since the 70s, and even back then, the Boomers used to talk about how their parents did it to them, and my grandparents said the same thing about their parents. Hell, the Romans said the same thing about their kids.

It's just not true, because if it was, it's been true forever, and then there's no way to explain how civilization ever advanced.

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For it's the day you officially turned old.



I realized this when I was 18 years old and saw that in know way possible I could study until my thirties to earn a decent revenu. And it got me so mad.....It still does today....School is not for people like me. The way its going now, it seems that it cuts off a lot of potentiel from society.

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But that's good because it means the people who go to uni and do humanities degrees do it because they're passionate about what they're learning.

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It was easier then to get started in life then than it is today.


Oh how I wish to be a factory worker in Detroit circa 1902. How fun it would be to toil in the coal pits for 18 hours a day and be able to afford food for half of my children while having to sell the other children for a decent bottle of whiskey.

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Those were the days my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.

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So you are saying that kids are not getting spoiled more and more every year, and that advertisment hasn't turned christmas and birthdays into a freakshow.
You think its normal that 115% of the net revenu of an average Canadian goes to paying his debts? And it has always been like that? Students with 50k$ student loans because they need to study til they're 30. Then when you paid it off you buy a house....when you're 40 and most never get to pay it off....How come that today people own cars that are worth their gross annual income.....

It was easier to start in life then, face it. And its getting worst and worst.

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Oh how I wish to be a factory worker in Detroit circa 1902. How fun it would be to toil in the coal pits for 18 hours a day and be able to afford food for half of my children while having to sell the other children for a decent bottle of whiskey.



40 ago people, not 100, 40 years.

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So you are saying that kids are not getting spoiled more and more every year, and that advertisment hasn't turned christmas and birthdays into a freakshow.
You think its normal that 115% of the net revenu of an average Canadian goes to paying his debts. And it has always been like that. Students with 50k$ student loans because they need to study til they're 30. Then when you paid it off you buy a house....when you are 40 and most never get to pay it off....How come that today people own cars that are worth their gross annual income.....

It was easier to start in life then, face it. And its getting worst and worst.


kids are getting spoiled more every year, but this has always been the case. This is what I'm saying. As technology and wealth advances, this is bound to be the case. but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. This is just how the world changes as we adance technologically.

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40 ago people, not 100, 40 years.


So, what you're saying is that 40 years ago society was in perfect balance when it came to youthful expectations and societal demands?

That would've been... 1965. Yeah, the students were real happy then.

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So, according to you Diss, technology makes Barbies and Brittney a MUST at Christmas? And it also makes it ok that you have to study 25 years to be able to buy it for your kid so that she doesn't feel appart from other kids. And you also want to buy it for her because you feel guilty of spendiing so much time working like your wife instead of spending time with the kids.

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"The strange thing about our days is that, in the future, they'll be referred to as The Good Old Days"...

Hemingway, I believe.

Carolus

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So, what you're saying is that 40 years ago society was in perfect balance when it came to youthful expectations and societal demands?

That would've been... 1965. Yeah, the students were real happy then.


No. What I am saying is that 40 years ago it was a lot easier to start in life than today. Life was less stressful too.

 
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