29-04-2005 09:29									#1
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Here's a preview of Hellgate: London, basically the next Diablo. The developers are ex Blizzard employees.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/hell...ew_6123193.html

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	29-04-2005 09:51									#2
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Mmm nice... glands

	29-04-2005 10:34									#3
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Yet another infantile FPS game made by adolescent boys for adolescent boys.

	29-04-2005 10:51									#4
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quote: Yet another infantile FPS game made by adolescent boys for adolescent boys.

It looks like a FPS, but it ain't one. Its like Diablo but with a first-person view. That said, it will probably be as infantile as Diablo was.

	29-04-2005 11:23									#5
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo It looks like a FPS, but it ain't one. Its like Diablo but with a first-person view. That said, it will probably be as infantile as Diablo was.

Oh I'll most likely buy it. Blizzard makes fun games, but my opinion will not change.

	29-04-2005 12:13									#6
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Does that make you an adolescent boy then?

This is a game I will be keeping an eye on.

	29-04-2005 12:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Does that make you an adolescent boy then?

I almost posted something vulgar, but then I remembered this wasn't the OTF.

While I admit I should show more conviction, I like playing computer games.

	29-04-2005 12:57									#8
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I don't know about this one. I saw a preview some time ago and just couldn't make up my mind. Too many rpg's these days turn out to be shooters-in-sheeps-clothing ...

	30-04-2005 01:53									#9
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They call a RPG a first person game where you shoot at monsters. What's a FPS then? As far as I remember, you can find various weapons in FPS games. So they are just making a bit of "levelling up" and calling it an RPG? But then I go back to playing NetHack and ADOM rather than Diablo2 so I4m probably off the trend.

	30-04-2005 02:03									#10
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I think this looks good. The people working on it have a great pedigree.

	30-04-2005 02:54									#11
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yeah they went with the 3rd person view to the 1st person view. I guess that makes the game more modern. But does it make it better?

it's supposed to take place on a futuristic earth. So there won't be magic in this game. The developers describe the weapons as being "magic hurling devices" (if I got that quote right). In essence, you will have a weapon that shoots a fireball instead of a spellcaster casting a fireball.

I'm a little more interested in guild wars, but I'll keep my eye on this one.

	30-04-2005 02:54									#12
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quote: They call a RPG a first person game where you shoot at monsters. What's a FPS then? As far as I remember, you can find various weapons in FPS games. So they are just making a bit of "levelling up" and calling it an RPG?

In a FPS, whether you hit or not depends on the players mad skillz; in a FPRPG, whether you hit or not depends on your characters mad skillz.

	30-04-2005 05:47									#13
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It is not unprecedented - Deus Ex was a FPS with some RPG elements. Perhaps this game takes the idea to another level (no pun intended).

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	30-04-2005 06:41									#14
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Deus Ex had a seriously good storyline though (look who I'm telling ).

The Diablo storyline ... well, not to put too fine a point on it, lacks a litle something or other ...

I'll certainly have another look when it's released but I won't be getting my hopes up.

	30-04-2005 07:35									#15
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Without battle.net, it's going to be tough for it to gain an MP following.

	30-04-2005 08:16									#16
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Well they are ex-Blizzard so I presume they've come up with an answer to that.
Not to say that it's a good answer by any means of course ...

	30-04-2005 12:31									#17
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I also will be following this game. I still play Diablo 2 from time to time and am huge fans of Blizzard games (which this effectively is from a design point of view at least). I doubt my poor little laptop will run it, but I'll keep an eye on the game's progress nevertheless.

Thanks for the heads-up nostromo!

	30-04-2005 13:40									#18
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quote: Without battle.net, it's going to be tough for it to gain an MP following.

They talked about a dedicated server. IT won't be battle.net but another game, but should serve the same purpose as well.
As for requiring skills to shoot in a FPS, I don't buy it. Maybe in the most modern ones, but when I played Castle Wolfenstein, Doom or Duke Nukem, I didn't really need any skill to hit the opponents. Clicking like crazy and mostly moving and maneuvering were what mattered.
RPG are supposed to play a role, things like interacting with NPCs, and have a kind of scenario.
I like Diablo, but it was already quite far from a RPG and this is going to be even farther.

	30-04-2005 14:53									#19
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Of course they'll have a good MP setup. This game will appeal to the same players that Diablo (2) did, and that playerbase is huge, even today.

	30-04-2005 15:07									#20
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don't tempt me to reinstall Diablo2 . I keep taking it off my hard drive saying I'm completely bored of it, only to get in the mood to play it again several months later.

	30-04-2005 16:11									#21
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo It looks like a FPS, but it ain't one. Its like Diablo but with a first-person view.

... so it is a FPS?

	30-04-2005 16:33									#22
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No it's a FPRPG.

	30-04-2005 17:11									#23
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I thought he said it was like Diablo. Where does the RPG come in?

	30-04-2005 18:10									#24
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Yeah but you think next to no popular games are RPy enough.

	30-04-2005 18:40									#25
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I can make exceptions for the limitations of computer games, but Diablo is so far off the spectrum it's laughable to call it an RPG.

What do stats / equipment have to do with roleplaying? It's a horrible miss use of the term. You might aswell call it a sim game - there's atleast a logical connection to statistics and "building" there.

	30-04-2005 19:32									#26
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You just have to accept that the vast majority of people who like RPGs don't necessarily like role playing.

	30-04-2005 23:24									#27
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The real problem with RPG is that making "role play" requires non player characters able to interact with the player, and considering the vast amount of silly things a player can think of, it's almost impossible to code/script NPCs that would behave in a half consistent way. So RPGs become massively multiplayer because it's much more interesting to interact with real people than with limited bots. I'm sure many people who (have the time to) play MMORPG actually role play, even if the game has no more role playing things inside than Diablo. But Diablo MP is limited to cooperative hack'n'slash or duels, since there is no storyline behind.

	01-05-2005 00:22									#28
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that analysis is wrong

You'd think mmorpg's are better. But static computer NPC's are more capable of staying in character than these losers on the internet.

	01-05-2005 03:10									#29
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Well, most NPCs are crap and most people playing MMORPG are also crap (you have the choice between spending your life in an artificial life or being unable to socialize in the artificial world). Still, I belive games where NPCs have good interaction abilities are quite rare. There are some games like that (Arcanum, Kotor...) but even there you are restricted to certain paths or interactions and must follow the main quest, whereas tabletop RPGs allow way more freedom. I don't think it's possible to provide a computer based game master and that's why gamemakers are treading easier paths: shooters/hack'n'slash/roguelikes on one end, massive multiplayer on the other.

	01-05-2005 03:48									#30
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I find the best roleplaying games are also strategy games. King of Dragon Pass is the best single player computer RPG that i can think of.