30-04-2005 06:06									#1
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"A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire."


[edit]Bad computer! copy and paste it now.[/edit]
Jesus! don't add the URL tag, and don't put the damned space in front of italyusiraqsatellite. Ok, try this, copy and paste all 3 lines into the address bar, with no spaces between them.

Edit: fixed link

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	30-04-2005 06:08									#2
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Url fixed -

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What he said.

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	30-04-2005 06:31									#3
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That link be broken...

	30-04-2005 07:09									#4
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Bug report posted.

	30-04-2005 07:16									#5
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You have to copy and past the URL. Yahoo! has a "feature" whereby you cannot have a referrer for the page or it will show up as story not found or whatever.

	30-04-2005 07:26									#6
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its also screwing up the link though.

	30-04-2005 07:31									#7
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Why not just copy and paste the article?

	30-04-2005 07:45									#8
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either copy paste the article or nobody's going to read it.

	30-04-2005 07:48									#9
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Were they able to determine how fast the car was going yet?

	30-04-2005 07:49									#10
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quote: Were they able to determine how fast the car was going yet?

According to this article, the satellite info shows the car was driving at a speed higher than 60 MpH.

	30-04-2005 07:50									#11
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Copy paste the article, Siro.

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	30-04-2005 09:17									#13
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Heres the article:WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in

Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire.

The report, which aired Thursday on CBS News, said US investigators concluded from the recording that the car was traveling at a speed of more than 60 miles (96 km) per hour.

Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired, wounding her and killing Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who had just secured her release from a month's captivity.

US soldiers said at the time of the March 4 incident that the car approached at a high rate of speed and that they fired only after it failed to respond to hand signals, flashing bright lights and warning shots.

The conflicting accounts were among a number of differences that have prevented US and Italian authorities from reaching agreement on what happened.

CBS, citing

Pentagon officials, said the satellite recording enabled investigators to reconstruct the event without having to rely on the eyewitness accounts.

It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.

CBS said Italian investigators refused to accept that the Americans were justified in shooting so quickly, arguing among other things that the checkpoint was not properly marked."

And the link isn't fixed, thanks for the effort but it added some stuff in there that shouldn't be part of the link.

	30-04-2005 09:22									#14
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The link is correct, it's just that Yahoo! News breaks it. On second thought, maybe it's vBB.

	30-04-2005 09:31									#15
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uh oh someone got caught lying,

	30-04-2005 09:33									#16
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We already knew the reporter was lieing, LoA.

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Thanks for posting the article Whoha

	30-04-2005 11:09									#18
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i didnt, i had the feeling she did, but until now, no confirmation.

	30-04-2005 12:48									#19
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quote: It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.

and it also means that there were no warning shots. probably the US soldiers were sleeping, noticed the car too late and just started firing at it...

	30-04-2005 13:05									#20
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hmmm seems to me sombody dropped the ball here. with all the bs going on with this person just rescued and and, racing to get out im gonna,I doubt oh yeah we was cruising at 30 mph

	30-04-2005 14:25									#21
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Do satellites have real time coverage then? I always wondered about their resolution and framerate. I guess they record at 1 frame per second? Or are they faster?

	30-04-2005 16:27									#22
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The Italians refuse to sign on the final investigation report, indicating something's amiss, at least from their POV.

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From the link.

quote: US satellite recorded checkpoint shooting, shows speed of Italian car: CBS Fri Apr 29,12:28 PM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire. ADVERTISEMENT The report, which aired Thursday on CBS News, said US investigators concluded from the recording that the car was traveling at a speed of more than 60 miles (96 km) per hour. Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired, wounding her and killing Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who had just secured her release from a month's captivity. US soldiers said at the time of the March 4 incident that the car approached at a high rate of speed and that they fired only after it failed to respond to hand signals, flashing bright lights and warning shots. The conflicting accounts were among a number of differences that have prevented US and Italian authorities from reaching agreement on what happened. CBS, citing Pentagon officials, said the satellite recording enabled investigators to reconstruct the event without having to rely on the eyewitness accounts. It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour. CBS said Italian investigators refused to accept that the Americans were justified in shooting so quickly, arguing among other things that the checkpoint was not properly marked. * Email Story * IM Story * Discuss * Printable View RECOMMEND THIS STORY Recommend It: Average (41 votes) 4.4 stars Recommended Stories Politics * House GOP Eyes Social Security Draft AP * A Rocky First 100 Days for New Bush Term AP * Ex-Georgia Sen. Zell Miller Hospitalized AP * Negroponte Takes Over Daily Briefings AP * Official Says Bolton Flouted Travel Rules AP Most Viewed - Politics * House GOP Eyes Social Security Draft AP * Official Says Bolton Flouted Travel Rules AP * Schwarzenegger's Opponents Seize on Border Issue Reuters * A Rocky First 100 Days for New Bush Term AP * Republicans debate how tight border should be USATODAY.com Italian military carry the coffin of secret service agent Nicola Calipari his funeral in Rome, in March 2005. A US satellite reportedly recorded the checkpoint shooting in Iraq, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast the car carrying Calipari and freed hostage Giuliana Sgrena was traveling when US troops opened fire.(AFP/File/Marco Longari)

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quote: It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.

I, for one, have doubts regarding these numbers. How did they come up with them, given all the cars going through the check point at the time?

	01-05-2005 16:06									#25
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They took the satellite photos, measured the distance between car and checkpoint in two pictures, and then adjusted for scale and time elapsed.

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion They took the satellite photos, measured the distance between car and checkpoint in two pictures, and then adjusted for scale and time elapsed.

The passage I quoted referred to the soldiers, not persons handling the sat photos later.

	01-05-2005 17:12									#27
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It was as I said over at civfanatics at the time to howls of derision that there was no-way that an Italian would be driving sanely

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So have these satellite images been released to the public so independent experts can confirm this information? 'Cause we all know how objective American government is when it comes to analysing satellite images...

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quote: CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.

That is what the satellite photos prove and it is exactly what the US soldiers said. The Italian version was totally different:

quote: Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired

So it seems the Italians were completely wrong. Does anyone believe that the Italian politicians who worked themselves into a nationalist frenzy will now say they are sorry about falsely accussing the US soldiers? Will that female communist reporter (who was held hostage) now admit that she either lied or didn't have any clue about what happened?

	01-05-2005 18:40									#30
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Communist reporter?