01-05-2005 17:51									#1
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	01-05-2005 17:55									#2
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Haha. Take that, France.

	01-05-2005 18:02									#3
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I see that the US only gets that on connectivity...on the other stats it looks positively backwards

	01-05-2005 18:16									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I see that the US only gets that on connectivity...on the other stats it looks positively backwards

But the USA is a haven of free trade and democracy, surely it must be the most internationally open country!

	01-05-2005 18:21									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I see that the US only gets that on connectivity...on the other stats it looks positively backwards

Yes, rated 60, 40 and 43 for economy, personal and political respectively. And I bet that if you'd actually investigate how much of that Internet presence is actually used to communicate with people/organisations outside the US, they wouldn't score any better in the technology department...

In fact, if you leave out the technology factor, countries like Uganda, Botswana, Tunesia, Poland, the Philippines and even Greece score higher

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The results seem rather stacked against big countries. Take the economic (green) section where foreign direct investment and trade are considered (I assume) as a percentage of total economic activity. When you have a $12 trillion economy foreign direct investment can be huge but it will still be a tiny fraction of the over all economy while the foreign trade requirement means small countries with manufacture for export (like Singapore) get a big leg up over larger economies which also manufacture for domestic demand. Also the personal contact (read: travel) section also favors small countries (like Singapore) because if they travel any where it is automatically foreign travel where as larger countries have many interesting tourist destinations which are never the less very different from where the traveler is from.

In the main their stanards seem to be tilted to give small countries a leg up over large countries.

	01-05-2005 18:36									#7
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I would not say its a leg up - small countries are more internationally minded because they have to be.

The US could have the largest amount of international investment and trade in the world, but if it only represents a tiny fraction of their total trade and investment does internationalism effect their mentality more or less than a country that depends for its existence on imports/exports and tourism.

	01-05-2005 19:46									#8
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Erm, who cares? How is a more globalized country better?

	01-05-2005 20:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Az Erm, who cares? How is a more globalized country better?

If it was the other way around, the French would've been better than us. We cant accept that, right?

	01-05-2005 20:11									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Az Erm, who cares? How is a more globalized country better?

It's an interesting statistic. I don't understand why it would be better, either, or why someone would think particular countries are geting a "leg up" statistically.

	01-05-2005 20:11									#11
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I don't think it's a measurment at all, really. After all, Singapore isn't the best nation in the world.

	01-05-2005 20:12									#12
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Why the ****ing hell is South Korea only 19th in technology (if what they're counting is internet-related stuff)? This study is very very ****ed up.

	01-05-2005 20:35									#13
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if only the US economic integration statistic were true... the political one is a bit high as well.

	01-05-2005 21:57									#14
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Yeh, what a crap chart for morons who believe in "experts" who pull these kind of rankings out of their butts. In Finland, there have been more of a person / capita using Internet for years

	01-05-2005 22:00									#15
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What exactly are these bars supposed to represent in total? How tf is giving millions to a corrupted organisation which uses most of them for their own personal bank accounts a "globalised" action?

	01-05-2005 22:33									#16
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This is kind of a "duh!" survey.

Smaller countries are more "international" (as if countries can somehow exist in and of themselves anyways) because they have to be, as Dauphin said, while bigger ones are less international because they don't.

Although I find the personal contact bti for the US odd. The US lets in approx. 1,000,000 new immigrants every year. Are these people just not phoning home? Or are they bringing over their entire family so they don't have to?

	01-05-2005 22:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Eli If it was the other way around, the French would've been better than us. We cant accept that, right?

Now that thousands of Frenchies are immigrating in Irael every year, we have no problem in falling behind, provided we are not overtaken by Slovenia.

	01-05-2005 23:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn This is kind of a "duh!" survey. Smaller countries are more "international" (as if countries can somehow exist in and of themselves anyways) because they have to be, as Dauphin said, while bigger ones are less international because they don't. Although I find the personal contact bti for the US odd. The US lets in approx. 1,000,000 new immigrants every year. Are these people just not phoning home? Or are they bringing over their entire family so they don't have to?

actually the average age of immigrants here in the US is 39, 4 years older then the population, so that is very much a possibility.

	01-05-2005 23:13									#19
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn This is kind of a "duh!" survey. Smaller countries are more "international" (as if countries can somehow exist in and of themselves anyways) because they have to be, as Dauphin said, while bigger ones are less international because they don't. Although I find the personal contact bti for the US odd. The US lets in approx. 1,000,000 new immigrants every year. Are these people just not phoning home? Or are they bringing over their entire family so they don't have to?

1 million into 290 million is not that high.

	01-05-2005 23:15									#20
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also, economic strength doesn't equal economic open-ness. you can't count as economicly globalised if you have a protected market.

	01-05-2005 23:16									#21
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So the US is backwards except on technology.

Who didn't know that?

	01-05-2005 23:16									#22
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This report is probably true, for what it's worth (not much, IMO).

Consider Poly. While it is a site run by a Greek and a Canadian, it will be counted in the American technology score, because the site is hosted in the US. We have a fairly international crowd here all accessing a US site.

	01-05-2005 23:19									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Az I don't think it's a measurment at all, really. After all, Singapore isn't the best nation in the world.

Who said it was? This isn't supposed to be a measure of best. It's supposed to be a measure of "international".

	01-05-2005 23:21									#24
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Singapore is the extreme of "international." It earns its score.

	01-05-2005 23:23									#25
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Denmark rules, somewhat.

	01-05-2005 23:43									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Now that thousands of Frenchies are immigrating in Irael every year, we have no problem in falling behind, provided we are not overtaken by Slovenia.

I, for one, welcome our new french overlords.

	02-05-2005 03:02									#27
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So what?

	02-05-2005 03:07									#28
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Who said it was? This isn't supposed to be a measure of best. It's supposed to be a measure of "international".

The general vibe about the thread, it seems. ( Thanks, Eli )

	02-05-2005 03:21									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Az I, for one, welcome our new french overlords.

I thought we were all antisemitic monsters? Don't they teach you whippersnappers anything at school?

	02-05-2005 03:30									#30
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Of course, that's why french jews come here. ( seriously, I've seen quite a bit of new french immigrants, in our university).

The real reason that many in Israel don't like France is not perceived or whatever antisemitism, but it's the continuing French policy in the middle east, since the rift of france and Israel, that looks completely and utterly idiotic and self-defeating from where we stand.