02-05-2005 07:00									#1
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I really do. I am in a very desperate situation and I need help in the worst way. My life, a shambles for 5 years, shattered marriage and career, crippling depresssion. My behavior has been awful, my self respect zeroed out, and deservedly so. Suicidal at times.

I need some good friends to help me patch my life back together. I need more than just advice. I need a hand and I don't know where to turn. I have alienated many of my friends.

Some of the posters here are the last that I would turn to and I can't open up here and lay it on the lie. Are there a few good men and women here that might be willing to extend a hand?

I need a fresh start, a chance at redemption. All I want is a chance. And someone to here my confession with an understanding, mature heart.

	02-05-2005 07:03									#2
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Capt Dizle have you seen a counselor yet?

	02-05-2005 07:11									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Capt Dizle have you seen a counselor yet?

Over five years, four pychcologists, two shrinks, two MDs, one surgery, exercise and diet changes that led to getting in good shape and produced really good blood stats, to no avail, neurosurgeon, Cat scans, five different anti-depressents, two anti-anxiety meds, one DUI leading to group sessions. All giving a combination of fleeting improvements and awful side effects. Does that count?

I really would rather find one or more here that I could talk to in some detail. I am willing to do anything to reclaim my life.

	02-05-2005 07:12									#4
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I am once more on the edge of oblivion. And really, it saps you, It saps you.

	02-05-2005 07:17									#5
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I feel like I have just one more good fight in my if I could find a fresh start. If I were 20 years younger, I'd join the service.

I was talking to my therapist and we found and discussed an article that mentioned: "society's marginal survivors" and she said that with medicine there was no reason to think I couldn't fit into that category. I can't accept that.

	02-05-2005 07:17									#6
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i can sympathize, but the forum isn't really the place to discuss such things. get ahold of me on aim and we can talk.

	02-05-2005 07:46									#7
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WHERE are you located Dizle?

	02-05-2005 07:48									#8
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Im willing to listen and help, if i can

	02-05-2005 07:58									#9
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I got nothing, but, if you haven't been getting anywhere, have you considered going to church, or if you are more like me taking up reading Epictetus or someone like that?

Sometimes drugs and therapy are hopeless: we need reasons.

	02-05-2005 08:01									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon have you considered going to church, or if you are more like me taking up reading Epictetus or someone like that?

what? thats the last thing to recommend.

	02-05-2005 08:03									#11
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quote: what? thats the last thing to recommend.

From what he said it sounds like he doesn't have many options left.

I don't like the church either, but it works for some people and I'd sooner see them groveling before the non-existent than dead.

	02-05-2005 08:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: what? thats the last thing to recommend. I'd sooner see them groveling before the non-existent than dead.

True, but two of my friends "found religion" after experencing emotion crisis. They are both on heroin/speed now and are both now (and I'm not using these words lightly) completely, f$%king mad.

	02-05-2005 08:14									#13
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quote: True, but two of my friends "found religion" after experencing emotion crisis. They are both on heroin/speed now and are both (and I'm not using these words lightly) completely, f$%king mad.

Nothing in life is certain. They may well have done the dope instead of the church. At least they delayed the drugs.

But I doubt that will happen to CD. He did not mention addiction problems, and he seems too old for those to suddenly take root.

	02-05-2005 08:18									#14
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To me they are both crutches, if you are in trouble they must both seem pretty attactive.

It just seemed weird to me that at the same time they started going mad, that they sort out religion?

	02-05-2005 08:19									#15
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quote: To me they are both crutches, if you are in trouble they must both seem pretty attactive.

If you are going to fall over, you might as well grab the nearest crutch.

	02-05-2005 08:23									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: To me they are both crutches, if you are in trouble they must both seem pretty attactive. If you are going to fall over, you might as well grab the nearest crutch.

Now thats a good comeback. It doesn't mean I agree however!

Is there a school of thought on the matter that just says 'Pull yourself together!"?. If so, then I'm all for that

	02-05-2005 08:26									#17
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quote: Is there a school of thought on the matter that just says 'Pull yourself together!"?. If so, then I'm all for that

In the end it comes down to that. You can perhaps fool yourself into thinking that God is doing it for you, but you have to make a change.

There's no avoiding that: no matter what quick fixes anyone might promise.

	02-05-2005 08:39									#18
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The thing I have trouble understanding is that when I have problems I first figure out what I can do about the problem. If I can do something , then I do it, if I can't do anything then 'what will be will be'. I've done all I can, so why worry?