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Terrorists use libraries. Law enforcement should be vigilant in the stacks.



At least seven of the 19 9/11 hijackers used government libraries in the run-up to their mass killings in New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C. This fact should quiet critics of the Patriot Act who demonize it as a magnifying glass through which federal snoops read over the shoulders of law-abiding Americans. Instead, the Patriot Act should be reauthorized, and federal agents, with court permission, should feel anything but bashful about conducting counterterrorism investigations at U.S. libraries.


In the latest developments, Khalid Al-Mihdhar and Nawaf Al-Hazmi used a New Jersey state college’s computers to buy tickets for American Airlines Flight 77. They and three other hijackers plowed that jet into the Pentagon, killing 184 people.

“The computers in the library were used to review and order airline tickets in an Internet travel reservations site," Ken Wainstein, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, testified before the House Judiciary Committee on April 28. Investigators discovered four online sessions on those terminals during August 2001 by people registered under these two hijackers’ names. The last occurred on August 30, 2001, within a fortnight of al Qaeda’s attack on America.

Wainstein did not name this particular Garden State campus, but the Associated Press reported Friday that federal authorities probed William Paterson University in Wayne soon after 9/11.

"The FBI, in furtherance of their investigation into 9/11, did take a number of our public access computers," Stuart Goldstein, WPU’s assistant vice president for institutional advancement, told the AP’s Wayne Parry. "The FBI never informed us as to what they found or didn't find."

As I discussed on NRO April 25, five other 9/11 hijackers turned out to be library patrons, in addition to Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi:

Marwan al Shehhi used Hamburg Technical University’s library in Germany for Internet access. He smacked United Flight 175 into 2 World Trade Center.

Wail Alshehri used the Internet at Florida’s Delray Beach Public Library in the summer of 2001, according to reference librarian Kathleen Hensmen. She spoke with me by phone and has been quoted in earlier news accounts.

Wail’s brother, Waleed, was online at that facility, too, Hensmen recalls. She also remembers meeting al Shehhi while the Alshehri brothers shared a computer one summer evening in 2001.

“The name of another suspect on the south tower flight, Mohand Alshehri, appeared on a log of computer users at the library” in Delray Beach, according to George Bennett’s July 2, 2003, report in the Palm Beach Post. Mohand Alshehri helped Marwan al Shehhi demolish 2 WTC.

While taking flight lessons, 9/11 ringleader "[Mohamed] Atta used computers at the public library and worked out at a Delray Beach health club," the Los Angeles Times reported September 27, 2001. Wail and Waleed Alshehri assisted Atta in the destruction of 1 WTC aboard American Airlines Flight 11.

“Today we learned the 9/11 murderers used our public libraries to access the Internet and help plan their travel prior to 9/11,” House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wisc.) said after Wainstein’s April 28 testimony. “This newly released information demonstrates the critical importance of the PATRIOT Act’s Section 215, which allows for the production of business records with a FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] court order. Section 215 provides — with appropriate safeguards — the tools necessary to help disrupt and prevent future terrorist attacks. We put Americans’ lives at risk if we foolishly provide sanctuaries — even in our public libraries — for terrorists to operate.”

Sensenbrenner’s lesson could not be clearer: Had the Patriot Act existed before 9/11, FBI agents could have used Florida and New Jersey library records (and perhaps others yet unseen) to forestall al Qaeda’s slaughter of 2,977 men, women, and children. Now that the Patriot Act does exist, it should let the FBI use library records to prevent whatever pageant of mass death the Islamofascists may be plotting for a city near you.

The deepest mystery here is why the Bush administration and the Justice Department have tolerated years of public-relations hell regarding the so-called “Library Provision” of the Patriot Act. There is no “Library Provision,” since the Patriot Act neither targets, exempts, nor mentions libraries. Justice has busied itself reassuring the public that it never has used Section 215 of the Patriot Act to seek library records. Nonetheless, the American Civil Liberties Union has complained that Section 215 lets the FBI “spy on a person because they don’t like the books she reads, or because they don’t like the web sites she visits.”

This, of course, is nonsense. Educating the media and the American public about the September 11 hijackers’ love of libraries would have defused one bomb in the anti-administration arsenal. Accomplishing this does not require state secrets. I began my research on this topic three weeks ago by typing the words “Atta” and “library” into Google. I was nearly as amazed by articles I found tying the hijackers to libraries as by the fact that these pieces had vanished down the memory hole. The Administration could have avoided itself plenty of pain by retrieving and showcasing these articles. What we have here is one more administration failure to communicate.

This information is now back on the radar. The administration and those who support its counterterrorism policies should spread the word.

Meanwhile, with over a third of the 9/11 butchers now identified as library users, let’s not hear another syllable about the supposed dangers of the Patriot Act’s imaginary “Library Provision.” From America’s borders to its banks, airports, mosques, and libraries, Federal investigators relentlessly must keep “connecting the dots” before another pack of Muslim extremists separates even more Americans from their arms and legs.


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Marwan al Shehhi, Wail and Waleed Alshehri, and Mohamed Atta also all imbibed quantities of dihydrogen monoxide repeatedly on the days leading up to the September 11th attacks...

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Honestly, the op-ed piece does defend the Patriot Act... at the same time, it suggests that the public would have been mollified if they'd known that Public Libraries were where a lot of the attacks were prepared for.

It almost sounds as if he wants us to think that they were somehow complicit in it.

Hence, my remark about dihydrogen monoxide.

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It has to be satire. I refuse to believe that anyone could write that with a straight face.

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It's the National Review. They're not known for being entirely sane in their op-ed ravings.

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Ban libraries! They're sanctuaries for terrorists!

Even better still, ban language! It's how the communicate and get their ideas!

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This is a conspiracy. Conservatives want to ban libraries because their enemies are people who think.

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what are they going to do? arrest every foreign arab who purchases airline tickets from a library computer?

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THAT'S why that Southern legislator (R-Naturally) wants to ban-n-burn homosexual books: The terrorists might use them to help further their developement of an uber-fag virus!!

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THAT'S why that Southern legislator (R-Naturally) wants to ban-n-burn homosexual books: The terrorists might use them to help further their developement of an uber-fag virus!!


Didn't the US have plans to develop some sort of aerosol aphrodesiac which was supposed to make enemies so horny that they couldn't stand up against American sexiness?

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They probably got the idea from Heather Has Two Mommies.

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Didn't the US have plans to develop some sort of aerosol aphrodesiac which was supposed to make enemies so horny that they couldn't stand up against American sexiness?


Wanna invade my Bagdad?

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Maybe I'm missing something here but what exactly is wrong with this?
He may've goofed in referring to law enforcement rather than the NSA but other than that ...

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Because free flow of publically-available information is bad, m'kay?

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one thing I never understood about these new law suggestions.. first of all, who thinks terrorists can't assume new identities? And how many 'protective measures' falls apart with that? Almost everyone?

These ideas are basically stupid if you want to prevent the real actors of terrorism. These catches you candy snatchers and ordinary folks only.

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Marwan al Shehhi, Wail and Waleed Alshehri, and Mohamed Atta also all imbibed quantities of dihydrogen monoxide repeatedly on the days leading up to the September 11th attacks...

Who knows,... who knows...
But they certainly were evil bread users

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Important Warning for those who have been drawn unsuspectingly into the use of bread:

* More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
* Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
* In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years. Infant mortality rates were unacceptably high, many women died in childbirth and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.
* More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
* Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
* Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, and osteoporosis.
* Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.
* Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.
* Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
* Newborn babies can choke on bread.
* Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
* Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.

In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:

* No sale of bread to minors.
* A nationwide "Just Say No To Toast" campaign, complete with celebrity TV spots and bumper stickers.
* A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
* No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
* The establishment of "Bread-free" zones around schools.

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Didn't the US have plans to develop some sort of aerosol aphrodesiac which was supposed to make enemies so horny that they couldn't stand up against American sexiness?


No that was the Brits, and it was never deployed on a large scale, only tested by agent Austin Powers on Femme Bots.

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Didn't the US have plans to develop some sort of aerosol aphrodesiac which was supposed to make enemies so horny that they couldn't stand up against American sexiness?


Ahhhh, yes. The gay bomb.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4174519.stm

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I still believe the gay bomb was an amazing idea. Too bad they stopped developing it

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Gay bomb

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I don't think I'd like to capture soldiers upon whom the gay bomb had been deployed.

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Wanna invade my Bag, dad?

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I don't think I'd like to capture soldiers upon whom the gay bomb had been deployed.

Would you prefer trying to capture people who are shooting at you?

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Ohh the friendly fire incidents after these... you realize, that if the ones with this gay bomb ammunition got hit, they would strike all their own bases after that, making other guys gay too?

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Would you prefer trying to capture people who are shooting at you?


I think that was precisely his concern....

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We must stop the spread of the gay!!!

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Nothing in the PatAct would restrict library access, it would only monitor use of public library resources. The key here is "public." There is limited expectation of privacy when using a public resource.

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Nothing in the PatAct would restrict library access, it would only monitor use of public library resources. The key here is "public." There is limited expectation of privacy when using a public resource.


Bollocks. I don't expect that most people like the idea of the government monitoring their reading habits. Do I get put on a watch list because I've borrowed Das Kapital forty times?

It's none of their ****ing business what people read.

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Do I get put on a watch list because I've borrowed Das Kapital forty times?


You should

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Do I get put on a watch list because I've borrowed Das Kapital forty times?


Quit being so cheap and buy your own copy already!!

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Just because I don't have forty-two personal bathrooms to hide my **** mags in, there's no need to get personal.

 
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