04-05-2005 06:36									#1
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Alas, the winds of change found my computer at long last. Troubles came and my hard drive went.

Now . . . . I must reconstitute my Civ2 files.

There is a lot of stuff I want.

Gareth?

Send me everything you've done.

Does someone have a copy of Panzer Battles on the River Chir?

Is the Spanish Civ2 site down or offline? Most of the very best scenarios were there.

Undoubtedly, I'll have more requests as the coming weeks pass in review. I'll place them in this thread.

Thanx in advance.

	04-05-2005 06:44									#2
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First two difficulties;

It's been a long time since I took care of these things.

I've forgotten how it's done.

I need to install 2 things;

the 2.42 patch

and

the vbrun thingie that makes civcity and civtweak function.

Instructions?

	04-05-2005 12:36									#3
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Hullow Phenix,

IŽve got *some* of those things you posted ...

* those patches youŽd need are available @ CFC - IIRC there are also instructions what to do there.

* Your scenarios - well, I can post them all here (though I guess using the search option in the Poly database to recover your own release threads might prove useful too)

I hope you can get all back, if I could be of any help, just shout!

	04-05-2005 21:35									#4
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Phenix - I've e-mailed AoC and AoB as requested. I'll zip up some gfx and send them on.

What is it about us lot that causes so many computer problems? I make that you, me (twice) and Steph in the last couple of years or so

	05-05-2005 02:55									#5
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Thanks Gareth and Jim. I've already been to cfc, acs, and cdg and dl-ed quite a bit of stuff.

I'm still wondering how you set up the 2.42 patch. I unzipped it and the files are just . . . there. Am I supposed to just drag n' drop these patch files on top of the regular files in the civ2 game? It seems as if that'd be too simple. Might well be the case though.

The vbrun 600 installed itself, but the vbrun 300 just sits there. It came with a text file, but no instructions in that text file. This is the one that civtweak and civcity NEED to run.

And I have no idea why we get hit with this stuff. In my case though, it was partly my fault. I got hit with various malevalent things and tried to clean 'em up myself. Didn't succeed. Had to take it to professionals who then did the job. But cleaning meant CLEANING and that meant that all the stuff on the HD was gone. Ah well, a lot of it I never used anyway.

It IS sad that, at the very same time, acs/Scen League got hit and lost most of its stuff too.

	05-05-2005 18:54									#6
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Don't you have MGE? The 2.42 is for Civ2 classic, so you wouldn't need it... But if you also have civ2 classic you should indeed overwrite the original files in your civ2 folder (i.e. drag the unzipped files into the folder and overwrite, or unzip the Zip file into the civ2 folder and overwrite).

You'd want the MGE 1.3 patch (also available at CFC I guess). That's got an installer.

You should put the vbrun300 thing in your Windows system folder. That would typically be C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM for Win95/98/ME and C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 for WinNT/2000/XP, assuming C:\WINDOWS\ is where Windows is.


... And regarding the crashing. If it's got anything to do with viruses or spyware I would suggest you'd get a decent virus scanner and firewall (though you probably already got those) and start using Firefox instead of Internet Explorer... Occasionally burning your stuff on CD might also be a good idea.
Anything that isn't a monstrous file-devouring virus or fatal hardware failure really just shouldn't make you lose anything of value (i.e. Civ2).

	05-05-2005 19:24									#7
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Exile,
Are going to continue on with AOB? I sure hope so, it looked real promising dude .
I wish I could have been more of a help with playtest feedback but I didn`t know where you wanted to take the game so I didn`t know what to look for.
Now I really am to busy to help but I look foward to seeing another masterpiece by you.

	05-05-2005 19:31									#8
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Everyone should get AVG anti-virus, AdAware SE and Zone-Alarm without delay.

All are free and very solid!

	06-05-2005 01:34									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator Don't you have MGE? The 2.42 is for Civ2 classic, so you wouldn't need it...

He probably wants 2.42 for the more diplomatic AI...

	06-05-2005 03:23									#10
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First of all, thanks to everyone for being such a cool community. Help abounds. That's a good thing and far too often overlooked or taken for granted.

Gareth; thanks and you'll be hearing more from me. lol.

Curt; Yep, I've had a number of protection programs for quite awhile, including zonealarm and several anti-spyware progs. Didn't help. A hijacker got in and I couldn't pry it loose. Also, there were a number of "things" on my HD that I didn't put there and were taking up space and done without either my permission or knowledge. That had to end. The firewall caught all these perncious little bastards whenever they tried to communicate outward . . . but they were still there. Unacceptable.

Being; thanks. No idea when I'll get back around to AoB. It's not abandoned, but the progress will be slow for now.

Jorrit; Yep, I DO need the 2.42. My AI is remarkably unagressive now. The program also doesn't inform me when my units were killed. And there was a conflict with the labels.txt. I resolved it, but it was a quandry for awhile. 888 to 873 at the top of the labels column. I tried doing just what you described--unzipping the patch directly into a backup copy of the main Civ2 program. Still gave me error messages, but that was before I worked out the labels problem. Perhaps I'll try it again. And, despite your explanation, I'm still at a loss as to how to install the vbrun thing. Where is Carl Fritz when you need him? Helloooooooooo Carl ?

	06-05-2005 04:45									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Exile Jorrit; Yep, I DO need the 2.42.

Okay... But you'd better not be applying it to anything other than civ2 classic. That just can't be good. It's certainly not what it's meant for.

quote: And, despite your explanation, I'm still at a loss as to how to install the vbrun thing.

What I said is the only installation it needs. You only have to put the extracted file (vbrun300.dll, that is) in the system directory and you're done. CivTweak and CivCity should work after you've done that.

Alternatively, you could put the vbrun300.dll in the same directory as CivTweak and CivCity.

	06-05-2005 10:44									#12
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Here is the result of my attempt to install the 2.43 patch and the faq dealing with it;

Q2: I downloaded the Civilization II patch. When I try to run it,
though, it says "Cannot find SMEDSNET.DLL."

A: The file you have is not a demo or an update program. It is a
replacement executable file for Civilization II. What you need
to do is copy this file, along with the other files that came
with it, to the CIV2 directory that is on your hard drive. If
Civilization II isn't on the hard drive yet, you need to install
it before you can copy over the patch.

How do I do this?

On the same subject, how do I
"put the extracted file (vbrun300.dll, that is) in the system directory . . ." No idea how I did it the first time. As I recall, Carl walked me through it years ago.

	06-05-2005 12:36									#13
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As far as I can recall - for those Civ2 system folders are definitely "not-do-anything-for-it-might-be-causing-havoc" folders - I copied that patch into the main Civ2 folder, extracted it (it was kinda executeable program) and when I was asked to overwrite the current files I hit "Yes, to all".

Maybe it works?

	06-05-2005 13:22									#14
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Yep. That's exactly what I did. And I got the smedsetc message.

But then, I extracted it into a copy of the main file, so as to prevent the repeated despoiling of my main civ2 file.

But this shouldn't make any difference--the civ2 program functioned whether or not I used the copy or the main program.

	06-05-2005 14:21									#15
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Weird. Last time I installed Civ2 I took my vanilla first edition CD, inserted it, dled the patch & it worked fine. Weird.

Sorry, but I fear I have no other ideas how it could work. :dknow:

	06-05-2005 18:01									#16
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Exile,
I seem to remember having a problem like that, try downloading the Indeo Video Codecs at Cedric Greens site

Cedric

	07-05-2005 11:23									#17
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Jorrit, took your advice and unzipped the vbrun 300 directly into the civcity and civtweak files. Worked. Now I can run those two and mapedit.

Now if I can just figure out the 2.42 patch.

	10-05-2005 08:44									#18
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Here are the issues with my attempts to apply the patches;

1.) the 2.42 patch doesn't seem to do anything except prevent the game from loading with the "smedsetc." message.

2.) the 1.3 whatever patch seems to make the AIs behave a tiny bit more like I'm used to.

Neither one of these does two things I'm looking for;

1.) a small window should appear at the end of each game-turn announcing how many units of mine were killed during the turn, including during other player-turns. This is a measure designed to address online, multi-player games, alerting one to losses when they wouldn't otherwise be seen due to being lost during another player's turn.

2.) the goto command, which used to work remarkably successfully, especially for long ocean voyages in Imp1870, now craps out and runs the unit around in a circle, then stops.

Whatever patch I used to have in the thing worked pretty well. I need to get that patch back and install it.

I am open to suggestions . . . .

	10-05-2005 18:18									#19
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I told you the 2.42 patch wouldn't work...
The Civ2 classic executable (i.e. 2.42) isn't compatible with the MGE dll files. That's why you're getting that error. (Civ2 classic is 16-bit, Civ2 MGE is 32-bit)

As for the two improvements you're looking for...
1) I've never seen that small window indicating losses. I think that's a feature of multiplayer games only. I don't think you get that in single-player games. So have you actually played multiplayer games with it yet?
2) The Goto command never worked well. You must've been lucky when it did work. Are you sure you're not simply experiencing the dateline bug?

	10-05-2005 23:06									#20
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1.) Yes, Jorrit, I've seen the little window hundreds of times when playing SP. There is no doubt that it should be there.

2.) Once again, I've played literally hundreds of SP games in which the goto command functioned MUCH better than it currently does. It never worked perfectly, but it formerly worked a lot better than now. In Imp1870, I often play as the Americans, and send most of my trade units by ship to various European ports. Once the trade units are dropped, my habit has been to hit the 'G' button, which brings up the city list and goto command. Then I simply slap the return button on the keyboard, because the first city that comes up on the list alphabetically is Boston, and this is the most convenient port for sending trade to Europe. Without flaw, the ships took the command and made their way back toward Boston, only stopping if they encountered a naval unit of another civ. Now, when I do this, the ships just move in a circle of about 3 or 4 squares, and stop, canceling the command. The difference is clear and unmistakable. Whatever patch I WAS using, it made the goto command function FAR better than it does currently. I tested this commmand in other oceans in Imp1870 and the ships on the Asian side of the Pacific almost made it back to American Pacific ports, but failed to take commands that sent them to Australian & Asian ports from the American side. This NEVER happened before the reinstall. Moving ships across a giga-map is tedious and time consuming. Being able to give them orders to go to a specific port is a great boon, and one that I want back again.

Does anyone know how to get in touch with finbar?

	10-05-2005 23:28									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Exile Does anyone know how to get in touch with finbar?

Try asking in the Multiplayer Forum, one of the Aussies is sure to know how to reach him!

Note: a "working Goto" patch is something I wouldn't mind either...

	10-05-2005 23:43									#22
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After a perusal of the multiplayer civ2 forum, I found that, unlikely though it may well be, the Aussies are still at it. Sent him a PM.

The patches that I installed once when trying to play multiplayer with him are the only patches I ever installed, so they are certainly the ones I'm looking for.

(and yes, he crushed me)

	11-05-2005 16:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Exile unlikely though it may well be, the Aussies are still at it.

Well, we have had a conservative government since 1996. What other fun things do we have to do?

	11-05-2005 20:35									#24
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One thing I've always liked about Aussies--their plain-spoken, no-nonsense attitude.

Maybe it's because I'm from a formerly frontier region myself.

Of course, now it's inhabited by a bunch of johnny-come-lately ninnies, who spend too damn much time in baptist churches prattling on about "gawd," while they scheme to steal from each other and screw each other's wives.

So, yeah, Case. It's much the same here.

A POX on these so-called civilized people!