05-05-2005 01:41									#1
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...there had been no Iraq war?

I'm thinking we would have been up to several hundred thousand by now, those UN people being so resolute and all.

You?

	05-05-2005 01:48									#2
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Lancer, you're my favourite poster

Keep up the good work.

	05-05-2005 01:55									#4
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I don't think we should have had any UN resolutions at all. Inviting the U.N. to comment on our actions, and giving nations a forum to veto our actions was a mistake. In fact I would say it was one of the worst diplomatic mistakes we made (the other being that once the U.S. decided to consult the U.N. we didn't do everything in our power, including wait, till the U.N. passed a resolution that said, Ok kick the crap out of Saddam now), and it's one of the reasons why the US lost influence in recent years.

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I know, I know don't feed the trolls, but hey what the hell.

	05-05-2005 01:58									#5
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Cool avatar korn. One of my favorite flicks...

Anyway there were loads of resolutions before the Iraq war where the UN was ordering Saddam to do this or that. He ignored them all. The result? More resolutions of course.

	05-05-2005 02:03									#6
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Your pic is a dud.

	05-05-2005 02:04									#7
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does it really matter?

not like those resolutions would amount to hill of beans

	05-05-2005 02:07									#8
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"does it really matter?

not like those resolutions would amount to hill of beans"

No, but then the UN doesn't matter. They should just shove it off into the Hudson.

Pssst, people: this thread is about the UN and its irrevelence.

UN;
see 'League of Nations'.

	05-05-2005 02:23									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer No, but then the UN doesn't matter. They should just shove it off into the Hudson.

That would be rather impractical, as they would first need to transport it to the other side of Manhattan to do so.

	05-05-2005 02:24									#10
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Well worth the expense.

	05-05-2005 02:27									#11
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And is "irrevelence" a state of being irreverent? I like a bit of irreverent wit now and then...

	05-05-2005 02:28									#12
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Ooooopppsss, sorry.

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Lancer, I agree. Gore would either have gotten a few more with dire consequences language, or would have just dropped the whole thing.

In the meantime, Saddam would have gotten his WMDs, nukes and whatever, and would have made embarked on another war, this time nuking several cities in the process, like Riyad, Tel Aviv, Istanbul, and Teheran, depending on his direction of conquest.

	05-05-2005 02:36									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Lancer, I agree. Gore would either have gotten a few more with dire consequences language, or would have just dropped the whole thing. In the meantime, Saddam would have gotten his WMDs, nukes and whatever, and would have made embarked on another war, this time nuking several cities in the process, like Riyad, Tel Aviv, Istanbul, and Teheran, depending on his direction of conquest.

Feel free to come back to reality any time.

	05-05-2005 02:38									#15
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Oh, of course, reality.

Saddam was a rational and peaceful man who would never think of attacking a neighbor, or using WMD. Never.

	05-05-2005 02:41									#16
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Ned, no, he would have never used them >>>AGAIN<<<.

Don't forget he already had used them on his own people and the Iranians.

My point is the UN resolutions would have gone on forever without any resolve at all. Also, when the US did finally do something, the UN gets all pissed off at us! Amazing...

	05-05-2005 02:50									#17
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I think you made a bad thread. Because this is easily ownable. I give you a hint.

There was no WMDs. More resolutions. For what? Saddam being oppressive towards women? Embarrasing I would say. I feel there needs to be no more arguments or follow ups.

	05-05-2005 02:54									#18
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"I think you made a bad thread."

Nah, never gona happen Pekka.

	05-05-2005 03:00									#19
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Since the utter absence of WMD in Iraq means the resolutions had been working, what more would we need to have done? Unlike in the Nedaverse, the real world now acknowledges that Saddam wasn't a threat and wasn't capable of rearming with the sanctions in place.

	05-05-2005 03:01									#20
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lancer, damn you convinced me! I'm watching you however.. the moment you trip, I'll be there like a HAWK, letting EVERYONE know you screwed up and made a bad thread. Be sharp...

	05-05-2005 03:02									#21
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lancer, damn you convinced me!

That was easy...

	05-05-2005 03:05									#22
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what can I say, life is short, better flow with the go. Yes, flow with the go.

	05-05-2005 03:10									#23
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Personally, I would have accepted an arguement (to go to war) that we are preventing/removing another hitler (i.e genocide, masacres etc) than the we are looking to stop a WMD program (the evidence of which was circumstancial (sp) in nature).

Whilst I agree that the world will be a better place with saddam gone, I hold my elected leaders to higher vitues than I do myself. It is one of my character flaws.

	05-05-2005 03:11									#24
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US

UN

	05-05-2005 03:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "does it really matter? not like those resolutions would amount to hill of beans" No, but then the UN doesn't matter. They should just shove it off into the Hudson.

Or make it matter.

	05-05-2005 04:01									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Since the utter absence of WMD in Iraq means the resolutions had been working, what more would we need to have done? Unlike in the Nedaverse, the real world now acknowledges that Saddam wasn't a threat and wasn't capable of rearming with the sanctions in place.

@Lancer: Won´t an emperor know how to use quote tags? :hmm: It´s really hard to distinguish your words from the quoted phrases, especially since you dropped using quotation marks... ( )

	05-05-2005 04:06									#27
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Micha


Won´t an emperor know how to use quote tags?

Ok

	05-05-2005 04:07									#28
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Hey, how do I quote just a bit of your post, not the whole thing?

	05-05-2005 05:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Oh, of course, reality. Saddam was a rational and peaceful man who would never think of attacking a neighbor, or using WMD. Never.

Saddam was an irrational and hostile man who would never think twice of attacking a neighbor, or using WMDs, if the United States had not previously crippled his regime's ability to wage war, leaving him to be the most impotent of the Axis of Evil.

	05-05-2005 05:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Anyway there were loads of resolutions before the Iraq war where the UN was ordering Saddam to do this or that. He ignored them all. The result? More resolutions of course.

You mean like the resolutions where he was ordered to disarm his wmds and didn't . . . oh wait, he did.

Oh, I guess you mean the resolutions about letting the inspectors in and he refused . . . no, wait, that's not right.



Exactly what resolutions are you talking about, Lancer?