06-05-2005 02:43									#61
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human safety trumps property - you conservatives really need to learn to be consistent

	06-05-2005 02:44									#62
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not when that life ain't worth sheit and gots to trample all over MY property

	06-05-2005 03:17									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse In the Nediverse she would have been within her rights to shoot them all and any bystanders hit would have been justifiable collateral damage

AH, I asked what she could have legally done in the bizarre realm known as Britain. That is quite a bit different from your charaterization of what I said.

	06-05-2005 03:18									#64
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AH, and you assume she had no genuine fear for her own life after the yobs threatened her?

	06-05-2005 03:56									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp The miscreants would have an Anti-social behaviour order slapped on them. She'd hose down her car. The world would continue turning.

What's an "anti-social behavior order"? Is that something like a restraining order?

	06-05-2005 05:49									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ned AH, I asked what she could have legally done in the bizarre realm known as Britain.

Yes its a bizarre place, the police on the beat don't have to wear fire arms.

	06-05-2005 06:13									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Ned AH, and you assume she had no genuine fear for her own life after the yobs threatened her?

There are few places where it's legal to shoot soap spreaders.

	06-05-2005 07:36									#68
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My SUV looks like its been in the Paris to Dakka rally. I should be so lucky as to have it attacked by hooligans with soapy water.

	06-05-2005 18:33									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ned . What is wrong with Britain?

It's been downhill all the way for the United Kingdom after they scrapped all those wonderful crime quashing punishments like summary hangings, public disembowelling, beheading, burning at the stake and of course the use of torture to elicit confessions from known recidivists and taciturn vandals.


Truly, Ned, I have often asked myself why we haven't approached the efficacy of the justice systems in the U.S.A. , China and Saudi Arabia, where as we all know, no crime occurs.

	06-05-2005 18:40									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove What's an "anti-social behavior order"? Is that something like a restraining order?

Similar, but with much more extensive powers. It's a punitive measure designed to make it far easier to come down hard on a wie range of low-level criminal or anti-social activity without going through the rigmarole of full-scale criminal prosecution each time.

	06-05-2005 20:05									#71
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom It's been downhill all the way for the United Kingdom after they scrapped all those wonderful crime quashing punishments like summary hangings, public disembowelling, beheading, burning at the stake and of course the use of torture to elicit confessions from known recidivists and taciturn vandals. Truly, Ned, I have often asked myself why we haven't approached the efficacy of the justice systems in the U.S.A. , China and Saudi Arabia, where as we all know, no crime occurs.

dont forget drawing and quartering.

	06-05-2005 20:55									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse human safety trumps property - you conservatives really need to learn to be consistent

I don't think that's always true, and not in this case, but she did break the law. Something is ****ed up there, otherwise the police would have done something though.

	06-05-2005 21:08									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I don't think that's always true, and not in this case, but she did break the law. Something is ****ed up there, otherwise the police would have done something though.

What's your life worth? How many pieces of graffitti would you need to scrawl before you agree that I'd be entitled to shoot you in the head?

	06-05-2005 21:16									#74
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atleast 2 or 3.

	06-05-2005 21:46									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp What's your life worth? How many pieces of graffitti would you need to scrawl before you agree that I'd be entitled to shoot you in the head?

I'd say if people are going to insist on destroying your property until you have none you should have the right to shoot them.

	06-05-2005 21:54									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Because the law does not permit people to shoot at other people in retribution for putting washing-up liquid on somebody's car. I realise this might carry the summary death penalty in some countries, but this is not the 3rd World.

And it's not United States either -- we're grouped with the same third world, despotic nations in regards to the death penalty.

	06-05-2005 22:16									#77
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom It's been downhill all the way for the United Kingdom after they scrapped all those wonderful crime quashing punishments like summary hangings, public disembowelling, beheading, burning at the stake and of course the use of torture to elicit confessions from known recidivists and taciturn vandals. Truly, Ned, I have often asked myself why we haven't approached the efficacy of the justice systems in the U.S.A. , China and Saudi Arabia, where as we all know, no crime occurs.

Well, Britain does seem to have a growing problem of miscreantism among its yobs, does it not?

	06-05-2005 22:19									#78
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I also find it interesting that not one single Brit has answered the question of what the woman could have legally done under the circumstances to get the yobs of her land, to get them to stop their vandalism and to end the threat to her personal safety.

	07-05-2005 00:17									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident speak English

Chav Scum. A guide to Chavs, Neds, and Townies.

	07-05-2005 00:19									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Ned to get them to stop their vandalism and to end the threat to her personal safety.

Because surely soap on your car puts you in grave personal danger and perminently alters your car.

	07-05-2005 01:37									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Yes its a bizarre place, the police on the beat don't have to wear fire arms.

They don't have to when they arrest middle aged mothers.

	07-05-2005 01:39									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Because surely soap on your car puts you in grave personal danger and perminently alters your car.

Surely you jest. They did not retreat when she came out to confront them. This is a threat to her personal safety. As to the car, how did she know that the only thing they had done so far was to use soap. What if that stuff was acid?

Again I ask you stupid Brits, what could this lady do to get those thugs to leave under British law?

	07-05-2005 01:47									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Because surely soap on your car puts you in grave personal danger and perminently alters your car.

Come on you would be pissed the **** off if some punks were doing that to your car and the police basically blew you off every time. Are you telling me you would just laugh it off and chalk it up to youthfull folly?

	07-05-2005 01:57									#84
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Sprayber, I am frankly finding the Brit apologists here to be completely incomprehensible. They are being so bold as to suggest that the woman had no remedy whatsoever and would have had to allow these thugs free reign to trash everything and perhaps rape her, because any resistance would be illegal.

	07-05-2005 02:13									#85
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Happens one or two times let the police handle it but if the ****ers keep coming back and all the police can say is "golly gee maam" then its time to take matters in your own hands. That's how things get started in case people don't know. It starts out small and as they grow braver knowing the police are busy going after someone without a seatbelt, they expand to other things. I'm all for letting the proper authorities handle things but there comes a time when the proper authorities just don't give a damn anymore and they are more pissed at you for actually calling them to do their job in the first place.

	07-05-2005 03:32									#86
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quote: Mrs Walker, a mother of three children, and her family had telephoned police on 15 occasions after seeing their garden shed burgled, their garden trashed, and damage caused to a car and security light. But they allegedly got no response.

This, and then having them come screw with her car? And everyone is still acting as if she was in the wrong, and not the wannabe thugs who perpetrated the real crime?

No wonder the Brits lost their empire.

	07-05-2005 03:46									#87
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The kids she threatened were not the ones who had 'trashed' her garden. Just some ones that were nearby. Still, it's all OK in the war against the yob, eh?

	07-05-2005 03:55									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Because surely soap on your car puts you in grave personal danger and perminently alters your car.

It would permanently alter my car

	07-05-2005 03:55									#89
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I doubt these ongoing cases of vandalism and their perpetrators were completely unrelated to each other.

	07-05-2005 06:09									#90
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I wonder what the yobs would have done if she had confronted them with a video camera?