07-05-2005 11:45									#91
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She would've been in need of that pellet gun.

	07-05-2005 11:52									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Happens one or two times let the police handle it but if the ****ers keep coming back and all the police can say is "golly gee maam" then its time to take matters in your own hands. That's how things get started in case people don't know. It starts out small and as they grow braver knowing the police are busy going after someone without a seatbelt, they expand to other things. I'm all for letting the proper authorities handle things but there comes a time when the proper authorities just don't give a damn anymore and they are more pissed at you for actually calling them to do their job in the first place.

When the law gives two shits about you, getting an AIR pistol and shooting at the ground at the assailants feet is a proper course of action. Good for her.

	07-05-2005 12:08									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I wonder what the yobs would have done if she had confronted them with a video camera?

wash the camera?

	07-05-2005 14:00									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha dont forget drawing and quartering.

It was covered under the rubric of 'public disembowelling'.

	07-05-2005 14:03									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well, Britain does seem to have a growing problem of miscreantism among its yobs, does it not?

Gosh yes.

Therefore we should do what they used to do in the United States, and have a few public lynchings. I'm sure that would sort things out. No crime would take place then....


Or of course, shoot a few lost tourists, or the mentally incapacitated who call at our door- then the would-be miscreants would know someone REAL SERIOUS about law and order and property rights lurked inside.

	07-05-2005 14:07									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Verto No wonder the Brits lost their empire.

Wow, that's put everything into perspective- Britain lost Africa & India because it was foolish enough to give up the death penalty and corporal punishment.


Clearly because Britain wasn't prepared to execute or cane Gandhi, he went on a mad rampage across the Indian sub-continent, soaping civil servants' cars and thus liberating hundreds of millions from the oppressive British tyranny.

	07-05-2005 14:33									#97
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Here's exactly what the woman says she suffered:

Shed broken into (four months ago.)

Fish stolen from her pond (Why would vandals steal fish? It was probably cats or something.)

Garden ornaments thrown over the wall (Oh the humanity! That puts these vandals on the level of trick-or-treaters.)

Wing mirror broken on son's car (Yeah, right. He probably clipped it himself. Smashing a wing mirror is weird behaviour for vandals... who then 'graduate' to more serious offences like pouring water on a car.)

Nuisance phone calls (this is actually quite serious, and should have been dealt with. Not by opening fire on the nearest trio of 'youths' though.)


So, Americans. It's Halloween. What sort of armed response is appropriate to kids chucking eggs?

	07-05-2005 14:48									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman So, Americans. It's Halloween. What sort of armed response is appropriate to kids chucking eggs?

You've answered your own question- you know why we don't have trick or treat at Hallowe'en in the lawless Land of Albion- it's all those thousands of shot and mutilated children littering the public footpaths on October 31st throughout the 19th Century, and the fact that so many of the would-be anarchists, burglars and home invaders were gainfully employed in light and heavy industry, down mines, in cotton mills, or being suffocated in chimney flues.



Frances Trollope: 'Michael Armstrong, the Factory Boy'(1840)

A little girl about seven years old, who job as scavenger, was to collect incessantly from the factory floor, the flying fragments of cotton that might impede the work... while the hissing machinery passed over her, and when this is skillfully done, and the head, body, and the outstretched limbs carefully glued to the floor, the steady moving, but threatening mass, may pass and repass over the dizzy head and trembling body without touching it. But accidents frequently occur; and many are the flaxen locks, rudely torn from infant heads, in the process.

http://www.newint.org/issue292/child.htm


The idea just never caught on, somehow....

	07-05-2005 18:04									#99
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The only reason I can see she did wrong is that by taking a gun out like that she was putting it at risk of being stolen by the youths

	07-05-2005 18:36									#100
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Earthscorching firepower is required against Mancunians...they're as dodgy as f**k - look at Stew for example

	07-05-2005 19:17									#101
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She should have attacked the yobs with a supersoaker and squeegie.

	07-05-2005 20:07									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman So, Americans. It's Halloween. What sort of armed response is appropriate to kids chucking eggs?

mining your front yard so when they come to partake in the joy they leave with life long momentos.

	09-05-2005 02:43									#103
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Note, how the Brits continue to defend themselves by diverting attention. When a woman cannot defend herself in her own home against a bunch of teen thugs, Britain has taken its utopian view of liberalism too far. That is why the people of Britain revolted against their government's prosecution of this woman.

More power to the people and less to the liberals!

	09-05-2005 10:47									#104
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Theres been much public debate about the rights of homeowners to maim/kill people who actually break into your home, but she wasnt in her home.

	09-05-2005 11:44									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Note, how the Brits continue to defend themselves by diverting attention. When a woman cannot defend herself in her own home against a bunch of teen thugs, Britain has taken its utopian view of liberalism too far. That is why the people of Britain revolted against their government's prosecution of this woman. More power to the people and less to the liberals!

This one reason I'm glad the USA exists - those who think like Ned go and live there.

	09-05-2005 11:45									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse This one reason I'm glad the USA exists - those who think like Ned go and live there.

Hey -- have some sympathy for Americans like me, who are nothing like Ned.

	09-05-2005 12:57									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Because the law does not permit people to shoot at other people in retribution for putting washing-up liquid on somebody's car. I realise this might carry the summary death penalty in some countries, but this is not the 3rd World.

Come on, she shot at the ground with an air pistol in an unsuccessful effort to chase off some teens who were trespassing on her property and vandalizing her property. At least she took some initiative, which is a lot more than can be said for the police. At least in the U.S. when the police are going to blow you off they'll usually admit it up front and won't make a federal case of any reasonable measures you take to protect yourself. You let punks tease the productive and useful behind the protection of the law, and when the productive and useful lose it you throw them in jail for weeks in because of your countries histrionic gun laws.

	09-05-2005 12:59									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Yes its a bizarre place, the police on the beat don't have to wear fire arms.

And they're apparantly too scared to face up to a few teenage punks because of that, though when they get their courage up can, in numbers, bring in the occasional middle aged special education teacher and mother.

	09-05-2005 13:00									#109
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So if its ok for this woman to go round shooting at punks, its ok for me to go round shooting up the ground round grannies when they give me hastle. Yeah, I dont think so.

	09-05-2005 13:06									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Come on, she shot at the ground with an air pistol in an unsuccessful effort to chase off some teens who were trespassing on her property and vandalizing her property.

She shot at the ground in their direction, and I'm sure you don't need a lecture on Newton to explain what a ricochet is. It clearly qualifies as an assault.

quote: At least she took some initiative, which is a lot more than can be said for the police. At least in the U.S. when the police are going to blow you off they'll usually admit it up front and won't make a federal case of any reasonable measures you take to protect yourself. You let punks tease the productive and useful behind the protection of the law, and when the productive and useful lose it you throw them in jail for weeks in because of your countries histrionic gun laws.

Well, you see, we have this dreadfully antiquated concept in British criminal law which means it's applied equally to all. Not just the "productive and useful". It's a national flaw we try to suffer.

Interesting concept, though. Criminal culpability determined by bank balance. Hmmmmm.....

	09-05-2005 13:08									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin She should have attacked the yobs with a supersoaker and squeegie.

Post of the month!

	09-05-2005 13:49									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty Theres been much public debate about the rights of homeowners to maim/kill people who actually break into your home, but she wasnt in her home.

And, she didn't actually maim/kill anyone.

Still, invading someone's home and vandalizing one's car is an act of violence. There should be a right of self defense. If the person who has this right needs a weapon to even the odds, so be it. The invaders are the people who are in the wrong, not people living in their homes.

	09-05-2005 13:50									#113
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Hey -- have some sympathy for Americans like me, who are nothing like Ned.

I take it you would not defend yourself if attacked?

	09-05-2005 13:54									#114
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Laz, as far as I know, she was trying to get the yobs off her property and to stop their vandalism. She was not shooting at them for "revenge" as you put it.

I still am waiting for any Brit here to tell us what she could have legally done to defend her home and property against invasion.

	09-05-2005 14:10									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander And they're apparantly too scared to face up to a few teenage punks because of that, though when they get their courage up can, in numbers, bring in the occasional middle aged special education teacher and mother.

Actually they have more balls than your cops because they don't need to carry guns to do their job.

	09-05-2005 14:25									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I take it you would not defend yourself if attacked?

Where did you get all that straw from, anyway? It's not like you are in Iowa.

	09-05-2005 14:28									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Where did you get all that straw from, anyway? It's not like you are in Iowa.

One of my fellow Americans was implying that he would do nothing if he was attacked or his home invaded. I was surprised at this attitude.

What has Iowa to do with the price of tea in China?

	09-05-2005 14:54									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I still am waiting for any Brit here to tell us what she could have legally done to defend her home and property against invasion.

Er call the Police

	09-05-2005 14:58									#119
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And not go out and shoot the nearest group of teenagers.

	09-05-2005 15:20									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Ned What has Iowa to do with the price of tea in China?

Er, you are the strawman

(do try and keep up Ned)