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Vesayen
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Who has read the fire and ice, aka a game of throne series?
If you have not, leave this thread. This thread will contain spoilers up to and including a storm of swords(DO NOT discuss any of the possible spoilers floating around online, about a feast of crows).
OKAY! So we have this massive wall. It is magical and the largest most advanced fortification built in the history of the planet(as far as we know.... westeros seem like the worlds best engineers).
It is HUGE, it is BIG. It is TALL it s LONG.
The purpose of the wall is to keep enemy armies out of westeros. It keeps out the wildlings but its intention was to keep out the others.
SO WHY THE HELL DOES IT HAVE A GATE?
The wall is more then a hundred and fiftey feet thick in some parts. They are not gates as much as they are tunnels. Even then... WHY HAVE THEM AT ALL?
The builders of the wall had no intention or desire for the areas north of the wall. You don't build the largest man made structure on the planet, a wall, if you want the people on the other side getting in, ever.
Why have any weak points? The strength of the rest of the wall is negated by the fact it has gates at all.
People still need to get to the other side but that could be done via an elaborate elevator system..... if they could build the wall(and they used magic to do it) they can work out a pulley system. They do use a pullety system as is to transfer supplies to the top from the westeros side..... why don't they do it to get people to the OTHER side?
Summation: Having gates in the wall, is beyond stupid.
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Vesayen
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Even if it is a choke point, it is easier to defend them trying to go up the walls.
A man climing a ladder can't fight.
Horses can be carried over in elevator.
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Vesayen
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If the argument is that having a gate means the enemy will attack it, as opposed to forcing them to scale the wall in many places.... that makes no sense-they can still scale the wall in many places if they desite to, gate or no gate.
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Jon Miller
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It allows your army to go forth
which is the best thing to do once theirs gets to a certain size and preparedness
JM
(otherwise you have the same fight.. but also no wall)
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Vesayen
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Why would you want to bring your army out of the best fortification in human history?
I can not think of a scenario where you would want to take your army OUT of the wall to face theirs..... they have to siege the wall, you can just sit there. You also have unlimited(relativley) supply lines as your supply base is behind you.
They don't need to defeat an enemy to achieve their objective, they just need to stop the enemy from passing.
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Vesayen
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Those can be done using elevators. Horses can fit in elevators.
If the enemy is so close that using an elevator would be dangerous it is unlikley you would want to go out through a gate if you had one.....
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Vesayen
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Why would you ever have a large force on the other side of the wall?
Leading the men to the fist was a mistake, as became abundantly apparent before and after it was done.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:18
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The men in black also needed to get out to cut off some of those trees that would help approaching and scaling the wall, and take the wood back. Far more convenient through a gate than an elevator. Making sorties is also something useful at times. But most gates (and forts) are actually recent buildings, the Wall being much older. There was probably only one gate initially, if that many considering there's another way (isn't it Samwell). Gates were added when the kings of Westeros thought the Wall was here only to get rid of the wild men of the north and had forgotten the others. Making sorties and expeditions against wild men was somewhat sensible.
And the gates aren't that easy to pass through, as the novel shows.
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Vesayen
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quote:
Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Elevator is slow, labour intensive, and can easily be observed. |
As opposed to a MASSIVE gate? They need not be slow or labor intensive... the wall was built with magic and they have knowledge of counter weights in the books.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:18
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Geting up a long distance, across and down across a long distance will be slower than going across. The wall sounds like it's taller than large, but that may be just me. Any way, it is very tall, and elevators are always more hazardous than gates. If there's a gale, you may not want to use the elevator but have to pass.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
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They didn't have the man power to keep the trees trimmed back along the full length of the wall. |
Yes, and they also only manned only 3 of the many forts because their numbers had continuously shrunk for ages. When forts and gates were built, they had the personnel. Later on, they closed the various gates with as much ice as they could find, effectively closing them and making them just other parts of the Wall.
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