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Glimmer
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Ill sign up if the teams are made fair like 1 vet/avrg/noob per team or something.
It also depends on how active everyone is if we use that way for getting pts.
I mean what’s the point if you have a good idea what races will dominate before the first games have even been played?
I want a president to make fair teams...
I think people should post their skill lvl and preferred race or people they want to be on the same team as and weather they are ok with being moved. And then someone(s) should make the teams.
Me I’m noob/avrg skill. Alkari. Yes move me.
Peeps who’s team id like to be on siron, blackadder.
Maybe reddog n jb want a Canadian team? Hours online need to be considered as well...
Peace.
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B.Adder
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ok i messed up posting my thread right.
so i do it again.
me and glimmer want to join trilarians.
B.adder= Blackadder
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Glimmer
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Yah Sign me up as Trilarian.
Peace.
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StepNRazor
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Elerians, Mrrshan, Trilarians, Silicoids, Meklar, Human, Alkar, Bulrathii teams are full. 30 players.
Elerians: Step, Zealot, seppel
Mrrshan: alex d, jb-bigkat, seb
Silicoids: siron, Giant, MaxAlban
Trilarians: Gusset, CyberSaber, BlackAdder
Meklar: GrayLord, Jano, SuperChad
Human: 1st&17th, Cabman, Whoha
Alkari: PK, Titanius1, SkyBandit
Bulrathi: Dmitry, vandal_RUS, shwabrer
Klacton: xenocide
Sakkra: Kutuzov
No Race selected yet: Brutalisk, Zentraedi, Glimmer, Vovin
Requests for 4th member in a race: Glimmer(Tril), SuperChad(Elarian)
Possible migration from a Race:
Migrated from a race: Glimmer(Tril)
Migrated to a race: CyberSaber(Tril)
This is a sort of a log to try and keep requests for race join up to reflect Glimmers good suggestion in his post.
A clip from Glimers post
"I think people should post their skill lvl and preferred race or people they want to be on the same team as and weather they are ok with being moved."
Yet to be determined.
When all te races fill or the we can start adding more player in full races, also there might be a little shifting of power players ariround to balance the teams.
Last edited by StepNRazor on 29-05-2005 at 23:40
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Maxalban
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I want to join Silicoid - Maxalban
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Zentraedi
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I would be happy to play on any of the teams that need someone. I might even play an actual production race so I don't drag the team down :-)
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StepNRazor
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The stronger players may not become immeadtly recognizable.
However after a few weeks of games I am certain some groups will emmerge much stronger than the average and other groups will be much lower. withing these groups individuals will probably emerge also that fir the thre general catagoriers strong, avegerage, weak.
The idea would then to determine if some of the members from the three groups strong, ave, weak would like to reform.
So that there would be an even distribution and a beter league.
Some groups may not wish to reform even if the are weak. Groups that are strong may not wish to reform either.
Things to thin about that may result in no migration of players. Strong groups may find that weak and some average groups do not wish to play against them and not show up for the games. Think of the NFL if a few teams got all the number one draft picks watching the games would be verry boreing. This does not sound like much fun, I belive we would all rather have fun playing than accumulatoing victory's by slaughtering cubs. So all you lions out there try to be faceing other lions, and ll you cubs learn from your lions.
As for me personaly I would prefer the Elerain race pic but would play fro any team to balance.
But like your question states how do we know. We can extrapelate from some past game perfomances I KNOW who most of the strong players are heeh. but we will have to play out some games to see who some of the diamonds in the rough are.
man o man that was long.
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vandal_RUS
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I want to join Bullrathi ..
Vandal
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Cybersaber
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California
Jul 2004
time: 21:19
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Well, I would like to throw my hat in the ring for the new League with Gusset in the Trilarians. We both love oddball races, and we will play spoilers to all you prod race guys.
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I feel no need to continue my highly nominal role as League President, I am happy to formally resign effective today and let someone else take over. For the last three years I have felt that my only real duty was to recruit and train new players, and I am certainly not the only one doing that (PK has been terrific).
I do feel strongly that some leadership is necessary, if only to organize voting on disputed items and work the community to a concensus. This can be a single person or a small committee (as long as it is an odd number). Marius and I worked very well for years with my carrying the administration and communication load and his carrying the web execution load. No one will accept a dictator, so we need someone willing to treat his role as executor of a democracy.
One thing I would love to do is to organize a tournament...this has always taken a lot of time and energy and is just one small part of the leadership role for an active League.
I strongly believe that the existing Wait Rule works, has stood the acid test of time, is the simplest solution to a very knotty problem, and should be kept as is. It was voted for by 96% of the voting community when we put it in.
I do think that we might add one more rule and ban Annihilation until and unless LB can fix the "invulnerable outpost" bug.
I should be out of the hospital soon, and I look forward to seeing all of you guys online shortly.
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StepNRazor
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Cyber
Well now that your done poping wheelies on wheelchairs and playing doctor with the nurses time to get back into the moo of things.
Hope your feeling better.
Ok got a little snag with the Tril race sign up, Glimmer and BlackAdder want to play on the same team and the beat you to the buzzer and joined up with Guss. doh!
Was shooting for 3 player per race to start to keep the teams from getting all lopsided seemed like a simple solution. Hopefully there will be some player migrations to balance the teams and maybee then you can get teamed with Guss dunno that bridge aint buitl yet we cross it then.
Ok organize away, tourney the tool time cyber
Speaking of time anyone have a good time period that fits? I tossed arround 2pm est today that would be 11am pst and 8pm germany time. and we all know germany time as alex pointed out at 8pm is beer time heeh.
Think we need to get some more player in here though before we get tourneys rolling. People are joining up prety quickly. I'm verry happy you and JB joined in I would also like to see Z, Gray, Sky, Druz, Nalla and all the regular cast and crew of moo. I icq'd Inver and a few others. I didn't have Hempy, or some of the old players Rom, Bork, Marius, MasterDave and many others.
So far we only have 16 members and not even sure which way they want to be governernd by either single or a group. I think a group would be better but I think thats a decesion the the members need to make how they want to be governed then by who. from there it is in the hands of the person or persons governiong to make decesions.
At this point I do not htink 16 members is enough to get to that stage yet as some of the members that may join in soon might not have different views and or candidates or votes n what not. Good lobbyist basically that what we need heeh!
Maybee a wait time out. If your battle has gone over 20 minutes no more waits for you, as the people waiting in moo chat have finished writing their third noivel on things to do while you wait on battles. Whats even worse if they might think the game has crashed and check, then it does crash and the waiting game renews this has to be fixed somehow. Some kind of shortening these battles needs to be in place.
Even the way I suggested, tonight me and Max sat in moo chat for well over 30 mins. I asked if they we useing wait, I was told on defensive fireing only.
Maybbe the solution is to have some optional setting for misssles. Missle cap like x number of hard points (total weapon slots) for missles like 20 or number of missle ships like only 2 or 3 missle ships cap even missle ban on ships except for monster and lone scouter types.
I'm not sure what the solution is, I do relize that it is a problem. The solution might be a certain combinations of settings or methods dunno. Any suggestions on this as to shorten batle time would be awsome!
Oh heck ya zero pop anhilate is soooo exploiting the game.
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Glimmer
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We could just use 5 of the races for now theirs not a tun of players. I don't mind 4 peeps or more per team and think it’s much better and more manageable/practical then 8 or more uneven races.
Especially allow 4 with cyber on my team! :P don’t turn the guys request down anyway ill move out of trill if others think three should be max.
Welcome back, good to hear from you Cyber!
Vandal's request for bullrathi would be the 4th for them as well.
With no pres or Gov. nowons in charge so everything’s still debatable including race member limits but not much gets decided..
An idea might be to log the amount of points each player has accumulated for that race and if they mutate, defect, switch or are reallocated then they take their points with them?
Anyway the teams already look lopsided to me but Iv not been back very long and only played half the players. If you get points every game how active a player is, is almost as important as their skill level.
That time slot is great for me.
Another idea is race captains or reps. The 5+ most active players that are also pro at the game pic their teams from everyone that signs up. That way we would prob end up with 2 active vets per team and then they would have 2+ people under them to train or help. The captains would also be the counsel for voting on league rules and such. And rearranging teams.
Peace.
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StepNRazor
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I like the race captains idea. for that to work there are a few players that would make great captains but have not signed up yet. From memebers that have signred up I see 4 or 5 that could fill that role of captains, there are atleast three or four more out there that could fit the captain role I hope they sign on soon.
Bularti have two members Dmity, vandal_RUS.
Brutalisk, Zentraedi are not assigned to any race.
Zentraedi stated put me in anywhere, Brutalisk is undecided.
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Superchad
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hi
I want to be Elerians like I was before. umm....I guess stick me with Meklars.
Last edited by Superchad on 15-05-2005 at 12:46
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1st&17th
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Hi, my 1st time doing this, I suppose I will play the Humans. Thanks for having me
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StepNRazor
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There used to be some AUS players and a player from Samoa but not any currently. It would be great to see em come back for some moo2 games.
Inver was a verry good Ausie player, I havent seen Inver seen him in online moo in a long time.
There is a good number of European players and I din't want to push starts games to late for them but 4am is pretty damn early to get up yo play moo2. If there are playeres in AUS time zone that wish to play perhaps games with AUS players could be scheduled starting at 10pm Germany is 6am your time, 4pm east US, 1 pm West US does this work. for everyone? This is open for all reply alternate time tables. so let rip lets get some feedback on this.
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Glimmer
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I disagree with limiting teams at 3. I think fewer more larger teams is better for getting scedualed games and future tournaments, inteam training 4 ways, just making sure 2 vets per team, for games/tournaments. Filling every race seems more for asthetics then fairness and practicality.
With this said you can put cyber in my spot but im pushing for fewer races and more people per team. I don't see why we need every race covered fully. Im sure the league of old had a much larger and active community base. If we cant end up filling them all maybe we could merge the smaller races with the weaker larger races, in the form of an allience or two.
The only team that is a bit strong right now is the Mrrshan with three strong players as long as any fourth that joins them is a noobie the teams will still be on par.
The majority seem to wan't 3 max for now. Just stick me in the undesided column and give cyber my spot.
Peace.
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Marius_KM2L
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Count me in too...
I know I never have time, but I'd be happy to contribute in whatever way possible. I can throw in any existing code, or whatever, and can host if needed. I would also be happy to perform programming tasks - I just don't have time to do it all.
The Star League was maintained completely by hand, and the burden of doing so was one of the reasons it collapsed. When Elron didn't feel like doing it anymore, there was noone else that would either.
BTW - I can't play until I find a machine I can dedicate to Moo2.... All my current machines hate VESA.... I thought VirtualPC would work, but I get the same issues from using Win98 under VirtualPC....
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Marius_KM2L
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I was using his patch, but it isn't a software issue. I PK and I even worked on it together in Kali one night. I am going to have to pull an old machine out of my graveyard and build it for MoO...
I was thinking about it today, and I think that the suggestion to limit the number of races and have a few large teams is probably a good one. Even when TSL was in its prime the smaller teams had a more difficult time fielding enough players to keep up with the tournament schedule.
Four teams should allow for a meaningful tournament schedule... A "Best of" series could help to make it more interesting...
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Brutalisk
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Guys, why not first get all the players interested and thend ecide on the numebr of teams. If there are quite a few people, it would be nice to have more teams so that everyone plays... Otherwise, i feel the less important players might get brushed aside and it will be a shame if that happens.
Marius: I'm willing to undertake the website for the league. Email me at evghenios@yahoo.com I also use icq #4506289 - but as of late my comp has been crashing a lot so i don't log on too often
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Marius_KM2L
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Well, I certainly don't think we should decide on a fixed race number, nostly I just think that it is a mistake to limit each race to 3 in order to spread players out.
I remember that during the TSL tournaments we had races ranging from 9 players to 20 or more, and it was very common for the officer scheduling the tournaments to scrape together a racial team because only 1 member of that race was available to play that night.
On the other hand, it was also common for another race to field 2 or 3 teams on tournament night.
I realize it sounds disorganized, but it was the only way we could get tournament games to be finished in a timely manner...
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StepNRazor
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lets get some games rolling soon it would be nice to get games going June 4th.
Lets begin by getting some of the folks makeing decesions nominated and voted for. as there are 3 slots I think it's ok that each person can nnominate 3 people.
So with that I nominate Siron, GrayLord, PK.
After the nominations are all in then the council can finalize the team structure and make migrations players or what ever theyy think is best. I think Glimers idea of team captians (strong players) picking there team mates.
Once that is accomplished structure up some games.
Get the most accomidating time zone.
Set up with players withing team for availability.
Record results.
Game records can be kept in text format if need be until a web site is up and running. I know Siron has been working on an ELO formula.
OK well submit your nominations for 3 council members.
I would hope that the structure would be that every year or every 6 months 2 council members step odwn and 2 fresh ones step up. and no player hold the position for longer than 2 consecutive terms. anyway thats just my 2 cents. nominat some people so we can get a vote going.
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Kutuzov
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Well couple things, been between locations and still moving around. But... the better of the leagues MOO II was played under was not Elrons TSL half the membership was gone in a very short time... ladders became the thing and the prodution race the norm. Some may disagree but he was an autocrate. I was no angel either but personal disagreements with individuals didn't become league policy.
I suggested then the council should be made up of rotating team leaders or there appopintee for 3 mo. periods... they settle disputes w/o appeal. The deterant to impropriety is the 3 month term. The nuts and bolts administartion should not be burdened with daily game issues.
From that time technology has greatly improved... I recommend anyone that has the resource to get it play it DOS via Windows XP... it works beautifly. I have can be of assitence in helping set it up (Cudos to PK in particular for understanding what I was asking in relation to the old issues) There are some issues if you have more than one CD/DVD drive is the only weird thing here and just remembering. (settings in DOS game) The updates mentioned above in this thread I reccomemed.
I would tell people that you don't have to be the best player to be a good leader/administrator... having done it with a degree of succes for 4 years then it's more about babysitting than flying.(Team issues not league issues) Our forces were small but they showed up.
I'll nominate graylord ... you step and gusset
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12-05-2005 02:52
How many Asian, Australian and western Pacific MOO2 players frequent here? 
I know there are a number at the SMAC forum. 
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