08-05-2005 03:29									#32
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Wow!! Actually, I was thinking about the one where Conan stands on a pile of bodies with a voluptuous redhead lying at his feet

Frazetta had a lot of imitators but he still is the best.

	08-05-2005 03:36									#33
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Hmmm... I couldn't find that one. A good site for his work is:

http://www.elobelisco.net/FRA1.HTM

	08-05-2005 03:38									#34
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quote: Wow!! Actually, I was thinking about the one where Conan stands on a pile of bodies with a voluptuous redhead lying at his feet

The premier fantasy artist. A pity that so much of his work was low brow sexism like this.

The first Conan film is one of the most misogynistic I have ever seen.

	08-05-2005 03:40									#35
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have you ever read the books?

it was possibly a bit tame in comparison to them

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(as a note, something I didn't know until yesterday, Howard killed himself when he discovered that his mom was going to die)

	08-05-2005 03:42									#36
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No. I find most fantasy and sci fi books to be awful. Exceptions are LOTR and the first Dune book. Most of the rest are terribly written.

	08-05-2005 03:46									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hmmm... I couldn't find that one. A good site for his work is: http://www.elobelisco.net/FRA1.HTM

I hope you don't mind that I post a link to that picture. If so, please delete it.
http://frazetta.ragnarok.no/images/...hebarbarian.jpg

	08-05-2005 03:47									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon No. I find most fantasy and sci fi books to be awful. Exceptions are LOTR and the first Dune book. Most of the rest are terribly written.

Just like in any category of books, there is good stuff and bad stuff. It's all a matter of opinion. There are many excellent sf and fantasy authors... it sounds like you just have no appreciation for these categories

	08-05-2005 03:48									#39
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quote: The premier fantasy artist. A pity that so much of his work was low brow sexism like this. The first Conan film is one of the most misogynistic I have ever seen.

Sexist it may be but his women are absolutely stunning.

	08-05-2005 03:51									#40
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quote: Just like in any category of books, there is good stuff and bad stuff. It's all a matter of opinion. There are many excellent sf and fantasy authors... it sounds like you just have no appreciation for these categories

name one good harlequin romance.

	08-05-2005 03:56									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon name one good harlequin romance.

Good point

I collect sf and fantasy books and artwork, and have read a lot of great stuff, a lot of average stuff, and some books that were just terrible... but I enjoy most of it. They are meant for entertainment, and do serve that purpose

	08-05-2005 04:11									#42
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quote: I collect sf and fantasy books and artwork, and have read a lot of great stuff, a lot of average stuff, and some books that were just terrible... but I enjoy most of it. They are meant for entertainment, and do serve that purpose

Some of them are better than that. LOTR is a bona fide classic. I used to read quite a bit of scifi, but it is uneconomical for me – I race through one of those paperbacks in a couple of hours.

I haven't picked up such a book in years, though. Nonfiction is my main thing.

	08-05-2005 04:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon No. I find most fantasy and sci fi books to be awful.

Well, that explains much about you.

	08-05-2005 04:56									#44
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quote: Well, that explains much about you.

Shut up Santa.

	08-05-2005 05:07									#45
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"You want to knwo the secrete of steel, boy?... Steel is strong, but flesh is stronger. What is the sword compared to the hand that weilds it?"

	08-05-2005 05:10									#46
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What is best in life?

	08-05-2005 05:38									#47
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There is some absolutely fabulous Sci Fi (more than Fantasy I am afraid)

try out some of Cherryh, or Zelazny, or Gene Wolfe, or Dickson

Jon Miller
(some of their books are just fun, others are really strong, and very few are average or poor)

	08-05-2005 07:15									#48
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Books are always better than the movie. Your imagination is a far better at grasping ideas, themes and concepts that a director who has all of 90minutes to tell a complete story.

Conan the Bucaneer rocked (as a book of course.)

	08-05-2005 07:28									#49
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I enjoyed the series by de Camp and Carter. Don't care for the movies much anymore, though the first is much better than the second.

	08-05-2005 07:37									#50
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I liked Arthur C Clarke and some of Asimov's stories, but when I picked up some modern SF (and by that I mean 1990s) I just hated it. I still like SF films and stuff, though.

I can't read any fantasy after LOTR – Tolkien is just so much better than anything else that it ruins it for me.

	08-05-2005 12:57									#51
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There is some good fantasy beyond Tolkien. A Song of ice and fire(A Game of thrones) being a recent excellent example. Moorcock also wrote great stuff (I particularly liked the Corum series).

	08-05-2005 13:02									#52
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Cherryh, Donaldson, etc all wrote some good fantasy

JM

	08-05-2005 17:18									#53
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Donaldson wrote what I consider to be one of the most underrated sci-fi epics ever in his Gap series.

	08-05-2005 17:36									#54
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eh, his fantasy is better

JM

	08-05-2005 17:40									#55
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Possibly.

Not being a fan of the genre, I couldn't tell you. Being a fan of sci-fi, however, I can assuredly say that his Gap novels are among the best yadda, yadda, yadda...

	08-05-2005 17:53									#56
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I agree that they were decent

they are on my reread at some point lsit

Jon Miller
(I think the first one was the best)

	08-05-2005 20:09									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon No. I find most fantasy and sci fi books to be awful. Exceptions are LOTR and the first Dune book. Most of the rest are terribly written.

My goodness, you must have read an awful, awful lot of them, to know that MOST of the rest are terribly written.


Do you have any idea how many fantasy/science fiction books are published just in the U.S. ?

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Do you have any idea how many fantasy/science fiction books are published just in the U.S. ?

I have over 4,000 in my collection, and I've barely scratched the surface

	08-05-2005 20:28									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I have over 4,000 in my collection, and I've barely scratched the surface

I have fewer, but then I have taste and discernment.

	08-05-2005 20:59									#60
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I enjoy the grade B SF stuff... and with fantasy, the only way to know is to read it. There are now many authors I will not buy a second fantasy series from