10-05-2005 09:32									#61
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Hmm... Perhaps the personal insults should stop?

	10-05-2005 09:33									#62
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT You work at a help desk? I thought you were doing programming or something equally techie?

No, I don't work at a help desk.

I'm a compiler service analyst. We talk to companies who have questions/bugs with our compilers.

I'm the human that they talk with, and answer their questions/fix their bugs.

	10-05-2005 09:35									#63
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quote: I don't get it -- what is your point...?

The point is, you aren't even smart enough to remain consistent. The only way you could congratulate/compliment me on raising my daughter is by my talking about her in the first place. For which you later razz me about.

	10-05-2005 09:36									#64
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Asher, I don't know if you realize it, but you just basically said "deep down inside I am an *******, in real life I fake being pleasant with people, but online since I can't get punched I reveal my inner self."

You guys are making a remarkable leap in logic -- I'm nice to nice people.

JohnT's been in ass to me, so go figure that I'm an ass to him. He even went as far as saying I was "one of the biggest cowards on this board" -- oh so ironically posted while I was banned and unable to respond.

I know pleasantries, and with people I know and like I will us e them.

You don't have a 2-year relationship that survives months where you are 3,000km apart if you're just an *******.

	10-05-2005 09:37									#65
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Boshko PWNS again.

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I insult people I have a history with, because I really don't like them -- usually they cast the first stone. I hold a grudge.
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That's plain not true, you insult people who haven't started it, you insult people who don't insult you back such as BK, and you insult entire groups of people(Christians, Liberal Arts Majors, Mac Users)

	10-05-2005 09:38									#66
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT The point is, you aren't even smart enough to remain consistent. The only way you could congratulate/compliment me on raising my daughter is by my talking about her in the first place. For which you later razz me about.

You are one piece of work.

The whole point of the thread was to force people to compliment eachother (ironic considering the topic of this conversation).

I picked the most visible aspects of two people and used them -- your business woes (with your daddy issues/family) and with your daughter that you post so much about.

The other one was Boris' porn collection.

Now think about just how inconsistent I was with the tone of that post, and seeing as I compared your business skills and ability as a father to Boris' porn collection.

Think about it, John.

	10-05-2005 09:39									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Hmm... Perhaps the personal insults should stop?

I am quite positive this one will be locked/deleted as soon as I wake up. In the meantime... eh, wtf. Sometimes its fun to hurl insults at each other.

	10-05-2005 09:40									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi That's plain not true, you insult people who haven't started it, you insult people who don't insult you back such as BK, and you insult entire groups of people(Christians, Liberal Arts Majors, Mac Users)

The entire groups of people think falls under the "troll" category, and doesn't count.

As for BK -- that's mostly back and forth bantering like an old couple. This is actually a really good example -- I exchanged PMs with BK just a couple days ago, and I helped him solve some Windows problems.

Ask him if you don't believe me. It turns out I was a nice guy.

	10-05-2005 09:43									#69
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I am quite positive this one will be locked/deleted as soon as I wake up. In the meantime... eh, wtf. Sometimes its fun to hurl insults at each other.

But it is breaking site rules nonetheless. I do not think that Ming will look favourably on people who admit they are breaking the rules, yet continuing to break them anyways.

	10-05-2005 09:45									#70
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JohnT being a sterotypical nerd. I didn't know glasses = nerd. Maybe in Asherville they do. Asher saw a picture of a man with glasses and saw nerd. Plenty of people on this forum have met John in person and haven't thought even close to a similar response.

Oh, and it CONTINUES to amuse me when Asher says he has people skills and then self-pwns him constantly when trying to prove it.

	10-05-2005 09:47									#71
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quote: I'm nice to nice people.

BK would say something along the lines of "Love thy enemy", probably, and I would too. But I bet BK would know relevant verses etc.

"Treat others as you wish to be treated"

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

"Karma will come back to bite you in the ass"

However you want to say it, it is ALWAYS good to be nice to people, and try to help them.

	10-05-2005 09:51									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui JohnT being a sterotypical nerd. I didn't know glasses = nerd. Maybe in Asherville they do. Asher saw a picture of a man with glasses and saw nerd.

If that's the case, then he forgot his thread (posted a couple of years ago) about his new glasses.

	10-05-2005 09:52									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui JohnT being a sterotypical nerd. I didn't know glasses = nerd. Maybe in Asherville they do. Asher saw a picture of a man with glasses and saw nerd. Plenty of people on this forum have met John in person and haven't thought even close to a similar response.

No one said glasses = nerd.

Look at the man's posts, especially about business. Then look at his picture.

You just know someone like that was bullied in high school. If you knew what high school kids were like.

quote: Oh, and it CONTINUES to amuse me when Asher says he has people skills and then self-pwns him constantly when trying to prove it.

People Skills != being nice to everyone, regardless of merit.

Skills are not passive -- you can choose to use them when you want to.

The lot of you seem to think people skills is just another name for being a nice, perky, likable person. You are confusing charisma with people skills.

	10-05-2005 09:54									#74
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell BK would say something along the lines of "Love thy enemy", probably, and I would too. But I bet BK would know relevant verses etc. "Treat others as you wish to be treated" "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" "Karma will come back to bite you in the ass" However you want to say it, it is ALWAYS good to be nice to people, and try to help them.

I help people when they ask for help. Even people like BK or Agathon.

As for being nice to people always -- that's one thing I can't stand -- it's so phony. How the hell do you know what somebody really thinks if all they do is be nice?

If you ask me, that's a much bigger problem. I value the truth more than people bending the truth or lying to be nice.

	10-05-2005 09:55									#75
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Ah, now the battleground is the definition of "people skills"

So tell us, what does "people skills" entail, other than being able to listen to the others?

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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear But it is breaking site rules nonetheless. I do not think that Ming will look favourably on people who admit they are breaking the rules, yet continuing to break them anyways.

The continued existence of this and the camel toe thread leads me to believe that noone is minding the shop...

	10-05-2005 09:57									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Ah, now the battleground is the definition of "people skills" So tell us, what does "people skills" entail, other than being able to listen to the others?

From the Wikipedia:

quote: Social skills allow a person to interact and communicate in nature with others. Examples: * Verbal communication o Small talk or conversation o Sharing and discussing ideas (politics, religion and sports are all common topics) o Teaching or learning * Non-Verbal communication o Active listening o Body language o Paying attention Traits that help social skills appear more polished: * Verbal o Smoothness of delivery (lacks stuttering, awkward pauses, etc.) o Intelligible speech (not too loud or soft, avoiding monotone but not dropping off the end of sentences) * Non-Verbal o Confident stance (standing up straight but not at attention) o Relaxed manner (not too tense, not falling asleep)

	10-05-2005 09:57									#78
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quote: The continued existence of this and the camel toe thread leads me to believe that noone is minding the shop...

It feels a bit like Eventis right now. Thank you mods, I needed it

	10-05-2005 09:58									#79
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quote: Originally posted by joncha The continued existence of this and the camel toe thread leads me to believe that noone is minding the shop...

Indeed. No Staff Member that has mod powers over the Off-Topic is currently online.

	10-05-2005 09:58									#80
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quote: Look at the man's posts, especially about business. Then look at his picture.

This is so nonsensical as to be bizarre. You can tell all that about me from a modified baby pic?

And Imran and I have met a few times ( ), so I have a feeling he would be more of a judge of my overall character than you. It's the difference between, well, seeing a picture and being there.

	10-05-2005 09:59									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Indeed. No Staff Member that has mod powers over the Off-Topic is currently online.

You're not supposed to admit such things.

	10-05-2005 09:59									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Look at the man's posts, especially about business. Then look at his picture. You just know someone like that was bullied in high school. If you knew what high school kids were like.

So anyone that knows about business is a nerd?!

Coming from the computer scientist?!

And I've seen him in person. He doesn't look like a man who'd be bullied in high school.... at least not more than any other ordinary person.

quote: The lot of you seem to think people skills is just another name for being a nice, perky, likable person. You are confusing charisma with people skills.

That is a BIG part of people skills. You seem to think that people skills doesn't mean you have to be nice to most people, which is silly.

To help out:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PeopleSkills

quote: People Skills 101 * Accept criticism without taking it overly personally. See FoggingTechnique. * Criticize ideas, not people if possible. * Make a point to learn and remember everybody's name, even if you have to write it down or use memory association games. * Greet everyone in the morning with a pleasant "hello" * Being liked is sometimes more important than being right. Kissing-up works. That's true, and sometimes the converse is also true. Trying to win the approval of others doesn't necessarily gain you their respect. * Compliment others sincerely. * Avoid "tech talk" when talking to managers and customers if possible. They usually don't want to hear details unless they can do something specific with the information. * Trim your nails, shower, and wear clean clothes. * Keep your communications short. Use email to give details, not voice.

	10-05-2005 09:59									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Ah, now the battleground is the definition of "people skills" So tell us, what does "people skills" entail, other than being able to listen to the others?

Don't be so sure that he hs agreed to even that much. Let the spinning.. er.. debating begin!

Actually, I'm rather disappointed. A really funny thread has just totally gone down the crapper.

	10-05-2005 09:59									#84
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quote: Originally posted by joncha You're not supposed to admit such things.

It was rather obvious.

	10-05-2005 10:00									#85
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I could've sworn you posted another picture at some point.

	10-05-2005 10:01									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So anyone that knows about business is a nerd?!

to high school kids?

YES.

Have you ever gone to high school, Imran?

quote: That is a BIG part of people skills. You seem to think that people skills doesn't mean you have to be nice to most people, which is silly.

I am nice to most people. What's silly is how you and JohnT have problems forming real arguments -- something that is quite essential to social skills, IMO.

	10-05-2005 10:02									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor quote: Originally posted by Spiffor you haven't understood what a pleasantry is.

It's "a polite social utterance; a civility:"

Which is exactly what Asher said, given the tie example.

And people better damn well leave my porn collection out of this. I won't let any of you upset her!

	10-05-2005 10:02									#88
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Asher, if you act nice, many times the acting rubs off on yourself.

If someone is nice to you all the time, you should take it as a blessing and not question the content of their souls, as obviously it's good enough to be consistently kind.

Being dishonest is not being nice. But telling a white lie is a lot better than ruining someone's day. Knowing how to balance that out is just something that has to be learned from experience. I can't give you a formula for how mean something is compared to how much the recipient needs to know it.