10-05-2005 19:06									#1
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Completely different genre, but is anyone playing Guild Wars? Please post char names here if you would like to group up.

I've got a monk/necro named Amon Ta (only level 6)

	10-05-2005 23:03									#2
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I am making this my next main game, though it's going to be a few weeks. I wonder if this thread will still be going then.

	10-05-2005 23:11									#3
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Asher Kurian, L5 War/Necro.

	10-05-2005 23:13									#4
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	11-05-2005 02:20									#5
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I like it a lot. I have been (and still am) playing WoW since launch and have just recently added GW to the rota.

GW is a completely different game. Lots of people compare it to Diablo II, but honestly, it 'feels' more like Dungeon Siege, but with lots more depth.

The PvP is the main thing, but it is not a gank-fest, nor is it a situation where you are getting beatdown by a 12-year old with a big sword. In PvP only mode, all chars are equal. Period. Equipment doesn't play a huge role either. All the skills are pretty much equal as well. You don't get a Fireball 1 spell that you won't use past level 3. All your skills are effective for the whole game.

This game all boils down to choosing the right skills for the right situation. You can only take 8 skills with you into any encounter, so you must choose based on what you expect to face.

This makes the PvP a very tactical battle, with a serious strategic planning stage.

	11-05-2005 02:33									#6
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Yeah I admit, I am drooling about this game.

	11-05-2005 03:28									#7
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I played the Beta, using various names from Discworld (Angua vonUberwald was my main, a ranger/necro I think, and Magrat Garlick was my second, a monk/elementalist.) I haven't bought the full game yet, but i'll do it eventually.

I agree with the dungeon siege comparison; Diablo didn't have much actual territory, a true dungeoncrawler, while Dungeon Siege was not a dungeoncrawler despite its name; although both are a similar game (not really a pure RPG but more of a merging of RPG with action, with less flexibility of path, while maintaining most of the character flexibility).

	11-05-2005 16:27									#8
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Is it just a coincidence that everyone here has chosen necro as part of their first character? Do they look really overpowered when you don't know much about the game?

	11-05-2005 22:43									#9
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It's just that Asher, Kinjiru and Snoopy are eeeeeevil.

	11-05-2005 23:42									#10
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to be honest.. I probably won't

I am thinking of getting it in the comming week

need to do my takehome final and the last bit of grading first, though

JM

	12-05-2005 01:05									#11
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I choose monk/necro because I like my irony served up rich and creamy.

Speced for healing, a monk is basically a priest. And the flip side of raising the dead, well, it's just fun!

I have been experimenting with another char also (Falla le Rone) whom is a ranger/mesmer. Doesn't seem to do a ton of damage with her bow, but she has some nice AoE skills, and I can just use my mesmer magic when something gets close.

	12-05-2005 04:07									#12
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Necro is interesting because it has several applications. It's basically a good second class for a distance character; it has a lot of nonsummoning related abilities in addition to summoning that are useful. It's not uberpowerful - it's really not a particularly good first class as far as I can tell - but it's a good second class, that you can use to supplement the primary effectively. It goes with ranger, mesmer, monk, and elemental mage pretty well ...

	13-05-2005 13:30									#13
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Skipping this one. Still enjoying EQ2 and so far no end in sight. I use to play only one MMOG at a time, and the next major game I will probably switch to is Vanguard.

	13-05-2005 22:32									#14
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Just got this last week, and in my typical fashion went through a bunch of trial characters to see what stuck, deleting what didn't.

Currently playing as Nemo Mairidh, a warrior/elementalist.

Though, I also have a Monk/Necro which was my first character Ulwis Devri. I like how that combo plays, but you really need to be in a party, and it's rough finding a party to get the sidequests to get skills. Henchmen suck. The main quests, though, partying is no problem. everyone wants a healer.

	14-05-2005 04:47									#15
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Well, if I see you on there UnO, I'll party with you with my ranger/necro I bought the game today and will probably play excessively tomorrow.

	14-05-2005 14:03									#16
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Nekro / Monk All the Way!
Nekro Blood Magix and Completly avoiding all Monk Skills except for Resurrect.
And Yes i die alot ;=)

	14-05-2005 14:24									#17
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And does that tell you something about your choice?

	14-05-2005 18:34									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kinjiru I like it a lot. I have been (and still am) playing WoW since launch and have just recently added GW to the rota. GW is a completely different game. Lots of people compare it to Diablo II, but honestly, it 'feels' more like Dungeon Siege, but with lots more depth. The PvP is the main thing, but it is not a gank-fest, nor is it a situation where you are getting beatdown by a 12-year old with a big sword. In PvP only mode, all chars are equal. Period. Equipment doesn't play a huge role either. All the skills are pretty much equal as well. You don't get a Fireball 1 spell that you won't use past level 3. All your skills are effective for the whole game. This game all boils down to choosing the right skills for the right situation. You can only take 8 skills with you into any encounter, so you must choose based on what you expect to face. This makes the PvP a very tactical battle, with a serious strategic planning stage.

Well the fact that you can only take 8 skills with ya at a time, and the fact that everybody is somewhat equal in strength makes it kinda monotonous to me... and that's what I've read in reviews too. I heard it's possible to create a high level character in the beginning of the game to fight other players immediately.. but seriously where's the fun in that. MMORPGS are all about levelling and finding great artefacts which is why I think they stink . I don't really see the tactical possibilities to be honest.
Simply clicking an enemy to attack him and cast your most destructive spell at the right time doesn't sound much like a challenge. That said, the BG games were awesome, because there were endless possibilities there, with numerous tactics to challenge almost every action or spell

	14-05-2005 19:44									#19
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss the point so badly.

The fact that PvP is more skill based than based on who spent the most hundreds of hours farming equipment is intentional. The fact you can jump into PvP (with other PvP chars, PvP is distinct from the PvE game) without having to grind through fifty levels you might not want to if you are into PvP is also an intentional difference with standard MMORPGs.

And there is the need to find good artefacts, as in all RPGs, in the PvE game. You can also unlock stuff for 'instant' PvP characters this way.

Personally I think it's an innovative approach and they should be commended for raising the bar, which they undoubtedly have done.

	14-05-2005 19:56									#20
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This does sound an interesting game. All they need is a single player non-internet connected version and i'm in

	14-05-2005 20:37									#21
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No, you missed the point. I don't like either way of playing. Not playing hours of levelling, and not just jumping in with a high level character.
The only thing that can make such a game cool to play, is the interaction between people, good graphics and some original monsters. But other than that I really can't see the fun in just clicking an enemy so your char starts whacking away, and then wait for the right moment to cast your meteor shower, or your heal spells.

It would be a lot better if it were first person and if some skill was involved. If you want tactics you won't find it here, you'd better play chess, an rts or civ2

imo

	14-05-2005 20:52									#22
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The whole point is that by making the characters relatively even (for hours played) you have to use more tactics to win PvP encounters.

As RPG combat goes, it doesn't get much more tactical.

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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus No, you missed the point. I don't like either way of playing. Not playing hours of levelling, and not just jumping in with a high level character. The only thing that can make such a game cool to play, is the interaction between people, good graphics and some original monsters. But other than that I really can't see the fun in just clicking an enemy so your char starts whacking away, and then wait for the right moment to cast your meteor shower, or your heal spells. It would be a lot better if it were first person and if some skill was involved. If you want tactics you won't find it here, you'd better play chess, an rts or civ2 imo

Trajanus, the point is that this is NOT a clickfest. It's not a game where you just "click to cast your biggest spell" at your enemy.

You have precisely 8 skills, which are very balanced, and once you hit level 20, which you do inside a week or two, everyone is equal in terms of game abilities - meaning the only reason you will win, is if you did a better job selecting a party and using the right skill at the right time.

It's not just repetitive clicking - if you are a monk/necro, you have to decide when the right time is for you to raise some skeletons and/or whatever else you have to raise, when the right time is to cast a healing spell, and when the right time is to cast a buff or a debuff- because you have a limited selection of skill points to use, and they don't regenerate fast enough to just 'cast your biggest spell' over and over again; and there IS no biggest spell, just a lot of evenly matched ones.

The POINT, that Dr Spike rightly said you missed, is that the game is determined by your skill, strategy, and tactics, NOT by how long you've played, or how much money you put into the game. Yes, Chess is more a test of pure strategy - but this is a different experience, and not just pure strategy, but other kinds of skill as well.

If you don't like MMORPGs, then fine; but acknowledge that you don't like the genre, and stay out of discussions of whether a particular game is a good one. You don't see me going into Halflife discussions, and telling people how much halflife sucks; I don't like the game, but that's because I don't like the FPS genre, with rare exceptions.

	14-05-2005 21:02									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus It would be a lot better if it were first person and if some skill was involved.

And to make a more specific point: third person doesn't mean there's no skill involved. (And I think you can go 1st person if you want to, can't you? Been a while since I played the beta...) Nor does 1st person mean it is involved; Morrowind was primarily 1st person, but the hits were dice-calculated.

Yes, there is no 'aiming'; but that means there's no aiming skill involved. OTOH, there is skill in choosing which skill to use, and who to use it on; I personally see that as far more relevant than my hand-eye coordination. If I want hand-eye coordination tested, I'll go play baseball, outdoors ...

	15-05-2005 04:29									#25
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I simply figured that because of the limited skill choice there was little variation and tactics involved... It's what I read in reviews, don't kill me for that

	15-05-2005 05:49									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike And does that tell you something about your choice?

No, it only tells me I am pretty bad at this
Im a Lover not a Fighter

	15-05-2005 07:40									#27
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Made it up to level 6 Ranger/Necromancer. I'm not sure how well the combo is going to play, but it's fun at least. I have plenty of allies in any fight as a rule.

	15-05-2005 13:40									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus I simply figured that because of the limited skill choice there was little variation and tactics involved... It's what I read in reviews, don't kill me for that

Most reviews are pretty flattering though. It might have been the IGN one you read as the guy seemed to be (as you are) under the mistaken impression there were 8 skills in total per class, when in fact there are something like 75 per class, and you have 2 classes per character.

	15-05-2005 13:41									#29
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Btw I orderer GW this weekend. If it comes in time I'll be playing next weekend.

	16-05-2005 07:34									#30
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Yeh... this game gives me the feel of a CCG in a way. Just like in a CCG, you have a ton of skills, any one of which would be fantasticly useful ... but you only get to choose 8 total (can be 8 from one class, or 4 and 4, or usually somewhere in between), so it's the selection that is the difficult part.