10-05-2005 22:34									#1
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Google Scholar just got better. It now has access to the library information/subscriptions from 100+ universities, including the UofC.

Just click the Scholar Preferences link and add in your college or university, if it's supported.

Unfortunately, lesser universities like Toronto, Waterloo, etc. don't seem to be supported yet.

Only add universities you have access to...like for Calgary's stuff, you need to enter your library ID and PIN to gain access to any materials that are in the "UofC Access" category of the Google Scholar results.

	11-05-2005 01:34									#2
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Oh, so it's not an attempt to expand the access for everyone to the wealth of Human knowledge they have, it's just to make it easier for those who already have that access. Bah.

	11-05-2005 01:44									#3
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Oh, so it's not an attempt to expand the access for everyone to the wealth of Human knowledge they have, it's just to make it easier for those who already have that access. Bah.

The schools paid lots of money for the journal subscriptions and books they have.

	11-05-2005 01:45									#4
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What kind of university doesn't already have their own searchable library database online? Why rely on Google?

	11-05-2005 01:47									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat What kind of university doesn't already have their own searchable library database online? Why rely on Google?

Who said they rely on them?

It supplements it -- now you only need to search in one place.

	11-05-2005 01:50									#6
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As for searching Journals and Conferences there is also DBLP: http://dblp.uni-trier.de/

	11-05-2005 02:22									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Who said they rely on them? It supplements it -- now you only need to search in one place.

wow . . . . . .







my testosterone is going up thinking about this

	11-05-2005 08:44									#8
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quote: What kind of university doesn't already have their own searchable library database online?

At least at my university it was easy to search for books, but there wasn't one centralized search for all the journal articles available to students (and only those journal articles available). This would've been a great thing to have when I was a student.

	11-05-2005 08:47									#9
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This is useless for me.

	11-05-2005 08:48									#10
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Yes, it's for scholars. As the name implies.

	11-05-2005 08:49									#11
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One of the rules of Apolyton is that if it has no relevance with Che's interests, then the thread is not allowed.

	11-05-2005 08:51									#12
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The University of Pittsburgh already has a centralized search for all library materials, so this is pretty useless for me too.

	11-05-2005 08:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The University of Pittsburgh already has a centralized search for all library materials, so this is pretty useless for me too.

Does it actually search all of the subscriptions to journals?

And even if it does, it's still restrictive. Google Scholar is still Google Scholar, it just includes your school's resources in the ranked results it returns...

The stuff from your school's library may not be the most relevant to your search.

	11-05-2005 08:53									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes, it's for scholars. As the name implies.

I'm a scholar, I just can't use it.

	11-05-2005 08:54									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm a scholar, I just can't use it.

Of course you are.

	11-05-2005 08:55									#16
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm a scholar . . . . . .

hmmm . . . . . .

	11-05-2005 13:46									#17
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U of Calgary shows up but Oxford and Cambridge don't? Hmmm.....bit North-Amereocentric.

	11-05-2005 15:05									#18
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edit: it works fine now - probably my spelling mistake!

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	11-05-2005 15:48									#19
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quote: U of Calgary shows up but Oxford and Cambridge don't? Hmmm.....bit North-Amereocentric.

Don't you know that those old fart schools suck compared to the University of Calgary?

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I'm a scholar from my a$$hole to my collar. Above the collar I'm all jock.

	11-05-2005 16:09									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild U of Calgary shows up but Oxford and Cambridge don't? Hmmm.....bit North-Amereocentric.

Wait... there's actually stuff outside of North America? Except terrorist places like Iraq?

	11-05-2005 18:54									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild U of Calgary shows up but Oxford and Cambridge don't? Hmmm.....bit North-Amereocentric.

Schools needed to volunteer to participate and have infrastructure for Google to "hook into" for the searches to work. Not all universities have digitized significant portions of their library for a search to work well -- indeed, I'm betting Oxford and Cambridge -- being the classic old-school schools -- haven't digitized much.

	11-05-2005 18:58									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Don't you know that those old fart schools suck compared to the University of Calgary?

Apparently they do in the sense that they have woefully out of date library infrastructure, or *******s of librarians that refuse to index their work outside of their campus.

A quick check on Oxford's website forbids me from viewing library contents unless I'm on the Oxford network (pretty frickin' stupid IMO). A better way is to have an authentication student so Oxford students elsewhere can still use it.

If that's any indication of their technical prowess, it's no surprise at all they haven't participated in Google Scholar.

	11-05-2005 19:10									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Of course you are.

I'm just not a professional scholar. I'm an autodidact. Been doing considerable research on the Ottoman Empire for the last couple years.

	11-05-2005 20:29									#25
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm just not a professional scholar. I'm an autodidact. Been doing considerable research on the Ottoman Empire for the last couple years.

EU modding obsession?

	11-05-2005 21:41									#26
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You don't need your student's ID to see what the uni library of Stuttgart (heck, all the libraries in Stuttgart) have to offer. If you go to these libraries, you don't have to show any ID to consult the books either (only if you want to borrow them).

How exactly is google Scholar interesting for me, if I need to be a student of a particular uni to access the books? If I was a student of a particular uni already, I'd go to the library and read the book in paper format.

I thought the whole point of the internet was to communicate data to people, regardless of their location.

	11-05-2005 22:27									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor You don't need your student's ID to see what the uni library of Stuttgart (heck, all the libraries in Stuttgart) have to offer. If you go to these libraries, you don't have to show any ID to consult the books either (only if you want to borrow them). How exactly is google Scholar interesting for me, if I need to be a student of a particular uni to access the books? If I was a student of a particular uni already, I'd go to the library and read the book in paper format. I thought the whole point of the internet was to communicate data to people, regardless of their location.

Because it centralizes your searches. As people have mentioned before, many schools have many subscriptions to journals -- but no centralized search for all of them. That's one use.

The other is that there's no reason in the modern age to use just your local university library's resources. In fact, Google Scholar should be your first choice to research items for school from reputable sources. This added feature adds in other books and sources that you have access to through your university. Further, it then includes these with the other rankings based on relevance.

It means you need to search one place, rather than on Google Scholar and then dozens of other places.

For what it's worth, you don't need to have an ID to see what the UofC offers either: http://thoth.lib.ucalgary.ca/

The difference is while that searches the book database, the real value is in the journals that the school subscribes to. The vast majority of these cost a lot of money, and require authentication. They are not covered by the library search, and are one of the pieces requiring authentication.

The journals are licensed to a specific university and its students, which is why they require authentication. For example... http://www.ucalgary.ca/library/ejournals/

	11-05-2005 22:41									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Because it centralizes your searches. As people have mentioned before, many schools have many subscriptions to journals -- but no centralized search for all of them. That's one use.

I mean, what's the use of having access to Calgary's catalogue if I can't access the data? Knowing that I'm half-a-planet away from Calgary, why would I even bother consulting its catalogue?
For that matter, why would I bother peeking at the uni-library of Munich? The travel to Munich (only two hours away) is pretty expansive already, and it's not worth it for only one book.

The only reason why a worldwide centralized search engine would be useful, is that you're unrestricted in your access to the books of many universities (unrestrected by geography or by student IDs). In the past, I had no intention whatsoever in looking at the UofC's catalogue, for the simple reason that I couldn't reach its books. If I'm unable to reach the UofC's material while using GoogleScholar, why would I want the UofC's results to clutter my search?

	11-05-2005 22:47									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I mean, what's the use of having access to Calgary's catalogue if I can't access the data?

Err...you wouldn't add Calgary to your list.

The idea is you add the instutitions you have access to only. There is no reason to add the others.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

quote: The only reason why a worldwide centralized search engine would be useful, is that you're unrestricted in your access to the books of many universities (unrestrected by geography or by student IDs). In the past, I had no intention whatsoever in looking at the UofC's catalogue, for the simple reason that I couldn't reach its books. If I'm unable to reach the UofC's material while using GoogleScholar, why would I want the UofC's results to clutter my search?

You wouldn't...

If you studied at the University of French Retreat Tactics, you would add that university to your list for research. You wouldn't add Harvard or whatever...

	11-05-2005 22:53									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If you studied at the University of French Retreat Tactics, you would add that university to your list for research. You wouldn't add Harvard or whatever...

So, since I'm a student at the Universität Stuttgart, I would use GoogleScholar only to look at the catalogue of the Universität Stuttgart. I still don't understand the use of Google Scholar in that context, especially since the Uni Stuttgart has tools that are more adapted to its unique situation.