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Agathon is offline Agathon
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Dream on Aggy... As DanS points out, he's still doing fine... He's taken a big post election hit, but his numbers still beat the hell out of a lot of other political programs...


You have me all wrong you know. I like O'Reilly and Fox – they discredit the American right in the view of everyone except the American right. If they carry on as they have been doing, it will end spectacularly and badly. The amount of hot air needed to keep that particular zeppelin of lies afloat increases exponentially every year.

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Isn't O'Reilly some nonsense American show that promotes
brainwashing political vomit for commies to whinge at, and
for so-called 'conservatives' to gurgle madly about?

Mass media is a load of crap - Ignore it!

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My kingdom to get Jeremy Paxman onto American TV and let him rip into presenters and guests alike.

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I'll second that motion.

Paxo would slaughter most of the goons on these US shows.

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because actors are easier to pwn because they are so stupid.


True, though I'm not sure O'Reilly is smart enough to see the advantage.

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Turn to the dark side. Watch C-SPAN 1 and 2! Embrace the all-encompassing hidden wisdom of congress. Feel the sophoric powers of the senators and congressmen including their leader in that regard Sen. Byrd.

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If they carry on as they have been doing, it will end spectacularly and badly.


If you mean FOX will end, doubtful...

If you mean the Repugs falling out of power, it will end eventually with or without FOX... because that's the nature of politics.

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If the repugs keep gerrymandering states like they did in Texas then we just might end up with a PRI like 90 year stretch of one party dominating everything. That wouldn't be very democratic but people like Tom Delay aren't concerned about those things.

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Keep trying to scare me into moving to Oz, Oerdin.

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If the repugs keep gerrymandering states like they did in Texas then we just might end up with a PRI like 90 year stretch of one party dominating everything.
But when the Democrats gerrymander Texas or any other state, that's OK right?

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I thought America was meant to be 'united'....?

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But when the Democrats gerrymander Texas or any other state, that's OK right?


Did he say that?

So it's right to cheat because you are afraid the other guy will cheat first

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Actually, the other guy already cheated.

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Dream on Aggy... As DanS points out, he's still doing fine... He's taken a big post election hit, but his numbers still beat the hell out of a lot of other political programs...


To ascribe O'Reilly's number drop over the past months to an election drop is simply inaccurate. All political shows had a sharp drop, followed by a leveling out. O'Reilly has had a steady decline for months with no such leveling, losing ~100,000 viewers per month.

In July of 2003 O'Reilly had 3.1 million viewers per show, so you can't say it's "back to normal" for him. Ever since the little revelation of his phone sex escapades, his credibility has been in the toilet. He's slipping fast into irrelevancy, hence why he has to do childish baiting of actors to come on his show, since he can't get anyone else interesting.

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Actually, the other guy already cheated.


Dems follow redistricting rules, if for their own political gain. The GOP breaks the rules. So who really "cheats?"

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Everybody. You have to remember the origin of the term gerrymandering.

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If the repugs keep gerrymandering states like they did in Texas then we just might end up with a PRI like 90 year stretch of one party dominating everything.


Naw, what you'll end up with is the Repubs controlling the House and Senate for 40+- years.

Just like, you know, the Democrats.

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I think the Muppets Show is a more intelligible show than the O'Reily Show is.

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Everybody. You have to remember the origin of the term gerrymandering.


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“An official statement of the returns of voters for senators give[s] twenty nine friends of peace, and eleven gerrymanders.”

So reported the May 12, 1813, edition of the Massachusetts Spy. A gerrymander sounds like a strange political beast, which it is, considered from a historical perspective. This beast was named by combining the word salamander, “a small lizardlike amphibian,” with the last name of Elbridge Gerry, a former governor of Massachusetts—a state noted for its varied, often colorful political fauna. Gerry (whose name, incidentally, was pronounced with a hard g, though gerrymander is now commonly pronounced with a soft g) was immortalized in this word because an election district created by members of his party in 1812 looked like a salamander. According to one version of gerrymander's coining, the shape of the district attracted the eye of the painter Gilbert Stuart, who noticed it on a map in a newspaper editor's office. Stuart decorated the outline of the district with a head, wings, and claws and then said to the editor, “That will do for a salamander!” “Gerrymander!” came the reply. The word is first recorded in April 1812 in reference to the creature or its caricature, but it soon came to mean not only “the action of shaping a district to gain political advantage” but also “any representative elected from such a district by that method.” Within the same year gerrymander was also recorded as a verb.


http://www.bartleby.com/61/62/G0106200.html

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I think the Muppets Show is a more intelligible show than the O'Reily Show is.


I would have expected you to advocate SpongeBob.

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oh, ok -- Spongebob, then

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I have to hand it to O'Reily though . . . . . . .





he invites the more extreme, and in some cases, the retarded on his show to argue with, and then tries his best to use these loons to claim that they are representatives of all liberals.

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To ascribe O'Reilly's number drop over the past months to an election drop is simply inaccurate. All political shows had a sharp drop, followed by a leveling out. O'Reilly has had a steady decline for months with no such leveling, losing ~100,000 viewers per month.




It was so nice of you to selectively choose what you quoted from me... I followed up that line with:

"However... they are falling faster than the usual trend"

So why are you trying soooooooo hard to disprove what I said even though we seem to be in agreement

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Because Boris is a meanie?

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Dems follow redistricting rules, if for their own political gain. The GOP breaks the rules.
Didn't Lefty already correct you on this point?

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Like he's going to admit when he's been PWNED?

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hence why he has to do childish baiting of actors to come on his show, since he can't get anyone else interesting.


He's done that for years, as far back as I can remember. He commonly calls people cowards for not appearing on his show...well...he's quite a bit more polite with Repub bigwigs and rarely ever refers to a Repub as a coward.

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he refuses to bring any libertarians onto his show. what a *****.

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Didn't Lefty already correct you on this point?


Nope, if you revist the thread, he was engaged in a strawman and corrected him.

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But when the Democrats gerrymander Texas or any other state, that's OK right?


Nope, it isn't. I can't control what was done a century or half a century ago but I can help fix the wrongs commited today. Be sides you really should hold your leaders up to a higher standard then just whining about somebody else did it too at some time in history. That really is a pathetic excuse.

 
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