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Chieftain
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Needed: tutorial.

When searching "forums" at Apolyton with the terms:

"smac pbem tutorial"

This is what I got:

"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Anybody know any "better terms" or can outright point me in a better direction than this sites trusty *&^*#^#@! search engine?

Having a hard time navigating this site.

Just want to get started.

thanx.

sincerely,

maia

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Jul 2004
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Hmmmmm.

Might be time to create a standardised PBEM tutorial scenario.

What would you like to know?

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Here is a link to Dreifels tutorial on PBEM's. Here is a link to the SMAC Academy, which has lots of good info to ramp your PBEM game capabilities up quickly!

Good Luck!


D

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To Senethro:

I would like to play SMAC 1 via email and am wondering what client it is typically viewed in.

I would like to take the time I need to play with real human opponents.

I am getting tired of the programs competiton but love the premis of the game.

I think my difficulty levels are wacked.

I've played second to "full-bore" or "" "" + 'iron-man' and am a steady first place (by a hair or 2) in faction dominance.

I understand most "CMC's" want a daily input with a little extra on weekends.

I've gotten a broad sketch of this world of PBeMs but now need something or someone to tie it all together.

To Darsnan:

Thanks for the link ahead of time. I am going there now to C what I can C.

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Jun 2004
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Velociryx's strategy guide to Alien Crossfire

(but read CGN Academy from Darsnan's link first )

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Darsnan, am I right that a few of the rules in the first link are considered outdated due to either bug fixes (the crawler crediting) or other changes?

I would enjoy a full fledged tutorial, perhaps to be topped in this forum. I started PBEM less than a year ago and I spent a lot of time before that trying to study the rules and mechanics so I wouldn't make a jerk of myself (which I probably did anyway).

I'd also like to contribute... would people on the forum be interested in a compiled "who's who" of active PBEMers? If so I could devise a little survey and people could answer it on a topped thread.

I'd also be glad to help out in other ways, drawing up a little tutorial for basic stuff, compiling rulesets, etc if someone more experienced is willing to double check my work before I post it.

I'm going to have a little bit of free time in the next week, so if there's an interest I'd be able to start soon.

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Jul 2004
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Maia, my email is XXXSenethro@gmail.comXXX (only the red bold text. I've disguised my email like that to prevent spambots stealing it)

Email me as I'm setting up a tutorial scenario for you to experiment with.


You may also want to download this patch from firaxis that enables PBEM play
http://www.firaxis.com/downloads/Patch/Smacp4e.exe

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Ok dudes I got tricks and tips 101
Ethics and ecosystems 165 and some carreer counseling if I ever want to get Alien Crossfire.
I got alot on my plate but all do-able (but I'll hold off on SMAX right now).

thanks to the entire community


see you on Planet (or Manifold)


-maia

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Chieftain
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Senethro,

When do we get started? Do you still need help from the community? I got your email just fine.

-maia

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Heh, sorry, I'm in the middle of exams. I promise I haven't forgotten about you but I've only allowed myself to continue the games I'm in and not run about creating new stuff. I'll be finished by Thurs.

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K, boss.

Will you be gaming over the mem. day weekend?
I will look for another post thursday -maybe friday.
I haven't been invited anywhere for that weekend and if I am I will still visit the forum at least once on Sat or Sun.

Peace Out to all my PeaceKeepers. ...Representin'..


-maia

P.S. Will be at above recommended links in the meantime. Studying, yo!

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Hey Peeps,

Saw that "Nicolas" was interested in re-visiting an old hell er.. a new pbem in the "Fosse" thread below mine. Done some readin' and lookin to take on Planet- that temperamental she-spawn, bane to my human existence.
Without just jumping in ass and shoulders first I was wondering if Senethro has finished with the de-compression chamber after finals at the Acadamy and ready to send a decision out into this thread.
Hope everyone is having a great Memorial Day weekend. Gotta love holidays.


-maia

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You have some crazy lingo

I've been trying to be too much of a perfectionist with this scenario I've been making. Trying to include some player stratagies as well as simply demoing the game.

What would YOU like to have explained? How concil works? How combat works?

At the moment my scenario is the Believers/Spartans on a small island having a personal wars, Morgan with one city and an energy park, Deidre popbooming and Yang with a little ICS.

If there are any lurkers out there who haven't yet played PBEM but would want to, please tell me the kind of things you would want to know beforehand.

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correction- Nicolas is in the "Topper" thread . "Active PbeMers"

-maia

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Chieftain
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Senethro,

How do you get notified of a reply so fast? Nearly missed you.
Um,... I am used to playiong the 'puter. How different is it from PBeMing? I've d/lded the patch you gave me.
What you have sounds exciting. Though, I am a little mistified still not having actually been strapped in and engaged. I can basically keep showing up and be a team player but I don't want to f*** w/ any buttons I shouldn't press.
Can you play this game on a Blackberry?

A little about my fav. aspects of SMAC 1:
Love the premise of Planet and consequences (eg. "Industrial Bust" ( though still not sure how I inherited that))
Love the Gaians ( hence "maia") but have a split personality with the non-commital socialist imperitives of the Hive. Allthough I have played Brother Lal alot and enjoy that.
I tend to have identified quite strongly to all the faxions in Sid Meiers story line as a lens to view my world day to day lately.
I have to admit, I don't even know what new factions are introduced in SMAX but I can't wait to find out.
Basically, Senethro, just give me few do's and dont's and I'll be waiting. But not much longer.
What were taking exams for if you don't mind me asking?
How do you survive in Scottland without an MBA?
Well, I'll hang around for a while to see if you're in the mood to rebut.

ttyl,

-maia

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Senethro,

How do you get notified of a reply so fast? Nearly missed you.


I've got a Gmail account for receiving emails from forums I've subscribed to that I keep open most of the evening.

quote:

Um,... I am used to playiong the 'puter. How different is it from PBeMing?


If you're really impatient you could set one up yourself using the Mulitplayer menu and selecting Hotseat. A couple of times I've taken two factions vs. five CPUs.

quote:

What you have sounds exciting. Though, I am a little mistified still not having actually been strapped in and engaged. I can basically keep showing up and be a team player but I don't want to f*** w/ any buttons I shouldn't press.


Pressing all the buttons you want would be the whole point of a tutorial scenario.

quote:

Can you play this game on a Blackberry?


I imagine you don't mean the piece of fruit? Is it a kind of computer?
If it uses some kind of bizarro operating system the chances are no.


quote:

What were taking exams for if you don't mind me asking?
How do you survive in Scotland without an MBA?


I'm a first year Biology student in St Andrews with some psychology on the side. I'm not sure what you mean by needing an MBA to survive

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Chieftain
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May 2005
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Senethro,

Yeah,..I checked out "GMail beta" and it seems they're only offering it to a select few. That sounds like a cool feature. I am starting a small idea of a music business that doesn't bring in a consistent income stream right now and am on dial-up. I am not online 24/7 so I don't have monitering features on my PC.
Could be soon, though. A Blackberry (orig. Blue Berry) is the new line of PDAs with some ramped-up goodies around email technology and some Blue Tooth tech. thrown in for good measure. I was just curious. I guess I'd need a microscope to really enjoy myself though.
A Blackberry would alert me to the forum though.
I appreciate your suggestion to be in the "hotseat" as from time to time I like the euphoria of aplomb settling in after being in way-over-my head. But I don't think I want to take on 5 CPUs at once just yet.
I am fairly ignorant of Scotlands economy in general ( compared to the "Celtic Tiger") but picture it rougher than New York under the Bush Administration currently. Though my grandmother is from the "other" Kennedy clan from Scotland and would some day like to visit.
Biology is fascinating now and more exciting than ever!
General Electric has a HUGE campaign out for alternative "clean" energy sources aimed at making shareholders happy. I think they will be successfull as there is alot of nepitism associated with the old chemical plant cronys in this country that are digging their satanic hooves into our future.
Well I will poke around for some short games and take my chances to await your preparations in you tutorial.
I will also poke my head into some threads. I couldn't believe Fosse's edict on a Vendetta against his opponents!
Oh, I have one important question:
How have you found the search site feature on the recent Settler III?
I mean in this multi-player forum namely. I imagine it is a gold-mine of resource for having a stinking ball with diplomacy and all. I just didn't find my search terms yielding what i wanted.
Any way. I will stick around a little while longer.

ttyl,

loudon wainwright



-maia

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Senethro,

I think I was thinking recent advances in stem-call research in S.Korea rather than bio-energy alternatives. My mind has a mind of it's own.
Sorry.

ttyl

-maia

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Senethro,

Yeah,..I checked out "GMail beta" and it seems they're only offering it to a select few. That sounds like a cool feature. I am starting a small idea of a music business that doesn't bring in a consistent income stream right now and am on dial-up. I am not online 24/7 so I don't have monitering features on my PC.
Could be soon, though. A Blackberry (orig. Blue Berry) is the new line of PDAs with some ramped-up goodies around email technology and some Blue Tooth tech. thrown in for good measure. I was just curious. I guess I'd need a microscope to really enjoy myself though.
A Blackberry would alert me to the forum though.
I appreciate your suggestion to be in the "hotseat" as from time to time I like the euphoria of aplomb settling in after being in way-over-my head. But I don't think I want to take on 5 CPUs at once just yet.
I am fairly ignorant of Scotlands economy in general ( compared to the "Celtic Tiger") but picture it rougher than New York under the Bush Administration currently. Though my grandmother is from the "other" Kennedy clan from Scotland and would some day like to visit.
Biology is fascinating now and more exciting than ever!
General Electric has a HUGE campaign out for alternative "clean" energy sources aimed at making shareholders happy. I think they will be successfull as there is alot of nepitism associated with the old chemical plant cronys in this country that are digging their satanic hooves into our future.
Well I will poke around for some short games and take my chances to await your preparations in you tutorial.
I will also poke my head into some threads. I couldn't believe Fosse's edict on a Vendetta against his opponents!
Oh, I have one important question:
How have you found the search site feature on the recent Settler III?
I mean in this multi-player forum namely. I imagine it is a gold-mine of resource for having a stinking ball with diplomacy and all. I just didn't find my search terms yielding what i wanted.
Any way. I will stick around a little while longer.

ttyl,

loudon wainwright



-maia


I've just sent you an invite to Gmail.
All these mobile technology things are way over my head I think that even if you could get SMAC running on it, it would be like playing through a keyhole.

Scotlands economy is not bad at the moment. We've experienced a longish period of consistent small growth like the rest of the UK. Nearly all of our manufacturing industries are dead and our fishing industry is about to go belly up in a similar manner to the Canadians did a couple of decades back. The workforce is highly educated however and we have growing biotech and software industries.
Comparing Newyork and a country with a quarter of its population is like comparing apples and oranges. However, it has to be said that Scotland loses its best people to other countries, as it always has. Only 48% of Scotlands population is male as the rest migrates for economic reasons. Scotland doesn't have a shortage of work but the very best opportunities aren't to be found here.

If your grandmother decides to visit, definitely make it a summer visit. Scotland is not at its best from October to March.

You won't find the best PBEM diplomacy in the forums. I conduct most of mine by email. Fosse is keen on formalities, especially as we approach an interesting phase of our Glimpse of Chiron game.

Apolytons search engine is less than excellant. I've not found it very useful. If you're not finding what you want you can always try the AC-Multiplaying archives which are further down the forum index.

(And I'm annoyed that the S.Koreans got the jump on us this time after we cloned and brought to term the first mammal in Edinburgh. Raghr!)

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Senethro,

PMed not PBeMed. I haven't gotten anything on GMail as of yet. I noticed my B-Day doesn't display right. Maybe you picked up a mottled email addy too.

My 3rd email addy is creamtowney@yahoo.com. It's given to everyone. I will provide you with my primary email addys if I learn how to mask it it like you do.
How could I forget Dolly! Sure, the first. It was an intense and revolutionary act. How could we have known the outcome? I think we all didn't want a scene from 'The Fly' with the monkey in the pod. (grusome)
But I think 'Lord_Icewinds' sign. says it well.
I am a bigger fan of growing organs from the owners modified DNA. That is just mind blowing!!!! I can't wait to see that adminstered successfully within my lifetime.
Grandma?? Grandmas seen it all done it all. Married to a 1950's vineyarder in the 'finger lakes' of NY state- she's got a nice nest egg that I'll never see.
Hell, I want to see Scotland. Get my s*** together and meet some promising woman along my heritage.
I love the ancient druidic/ rastafari dreads on Scottish girls.
Go clubbin' in Edinburgh. Oh yeah! S*** hope to play
Edinburgh first. I'm trying to get a band together here in the states to try to do something on par of the Police in the 80s. Barring the sound.
Eeerrrrr... hope I didn't give you a gender bender with the alias, mate. Just gettin in touch with my feminine side.
I am more of the Perry Ferrell fan club (Janes Addic.). Though if I could be half as good as the WaterBoys (Mike Scott) then well I could rest in peace for sure!

Anyway, still plugged in.

gimmee a shout.

-maia

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Senethro,

I've recently acquired the SMAX version and am digging 'DataJAck' Roze at the moment. It's cool. Like Jazz cool.

ttyl,

maia

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Ok, heres a prototype for a demonstration PBEM. Its a SMAC game but should work in SMAX, the password for each faction is the colour of that faction.

The Gaians show the power of tree farms and a Pop boom achieved using Demo/Planned/creche.

The Hive shows a small ICS.

Morgan shows what even a small energy park can do.

The Spartans and BElievers are on a small island together to show how war works.

The Peacekeepers are the only unpassworded faction so you can set your own. They can call council on first turn.

Feedback please.

Attachment: tutorial, 2101.sav
This has been downloaded 8 time(s).

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Senethro,

*****in'. I'll follow up with you in 1-2 days.

-maia

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Senethro,

Impressive fortes for each faction.
Gaians have wall to wall carpeting of delicious tree farms.
What's an ICS? I can't find any instance in the maual with "match whole word only" (the word being 'ICS').
I never knew supply crawlers could be so useful.
Still, though I had a prmpt for every faction that 'the Gaians may have taken one or more extra turns'.
In turn sequencing and rules and regs how do we interpret that prompt ? How do we not take extra turns?
Whats the difference between hotseat/ email game and the other 'direct' game options when first setting up a multi-player session?
Lastly, how was the tutorial intended to be played?
Being a newbie I didn't know whether to post for a 'newbie tutorial game' or just investigate as I have done.
All in all I like the example of the scenerio editor that you showed in your work. It was exciting to see how malleable this game can be.

feedback please,

maiasystemsltd

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ICS = infinite city spread : placing bases very close to each other, and building a new colony pod as soon as your population will reach 2 pops. Bases stay small in pop-size, and you don't need much drone-prevention facilities.

Crawlers = the most usefull unit in SMAC (you can always use them as some sort of stockpile minerals if you don't know what to buid right now).

The prompt about reloads = a warning to other players that one player has played the same turn twice. For example if you notice a huge stack of enemy units at the very end of the turn there is nothing you can do about it. If you then replay the turn and take them out, that is considered cheating. That's why the popup comes.

hotseat / email games ask the players for a pwd every turn. You can play with some people on the same pc or (like most do) send the turn on through email. You can play without everybody online at the same moment. From the other options, basicly only TCP/IP is a valid option and here everybody plays at his own pc, everybody is online at the same moment, everybody takes turns to play. This usually are a lot faster games (ie: 5 mins / turn instead of 1 day / turn), but you have to be online for about 5 hours in a row to finish a game.

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Hey thanks, PJayTycy,

Thanks for your comments. They were educational for me.
i can see more why Senethro did things the way he did. I didn't see the key to the Spartans and Believers example as evidently as the others. Though I know they are painted as at war with each other.
These examples are very educational and I think Senethro has nailed the idea well. I just wish I could figure out what the B & S conflict is all about.
All in all I petition the entire community here to stop and take a quick look at what Senethro has begun. Mostly because I am off to get my ass kicked in brand new enterprising newbie PBeM and will need to check back here on a periodic basis.
Much gratitude,

'maia'

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The Believer/Spartan conflict was just for you to see how war is done in a PBEM. Keep in mind that in PBEM you would only see one side of a conflict, you wouldn't see your opponents pieces move.

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Oh,

As Johnny Carson would say, "I did not know that".
It's a good point to re-iterate.
Thanks Senethro. And thanks for the "Edit" button.

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Senethro,
I am about jump into my first game (newbie game) with you joining as well, hopefully. I'd like to post more questions here upon taking a 2nd look at the tutorial you built but would like to pose one primary question to you:
After my first couple of turn submissions how do you think the tutorial thus far and actual game play will weigh out? I'll share the rest of my questions here:

The Hive, packed so close together in co-habitation, is considered light years ahead in "faction dominance" (fact. dom. chart/graph). Why?

With the Gaians,: How come the Tree Farm and Hybrid Forests built together at each base aren't cumulative?
I only see 3(n), 2(m), 2(e) in any of the sq.'s of that green brush cut. Wouldn't there be more?

How is Morgan benefitting from a neighboring behemoth of a complex (sounds like my ego problems) when I only see one settlement. Is that complex the "energy park" you speak of?
Or did I overlook an underground civilization?

The UN is really packing them in there (10-12? citizens).
With the secret projects and buildings the drones are appeased for the time being.

Well, thanks again for all your hard work and will be referring to this thread off and on throughout my first trial run.



'maia'








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check it out now (PJay), my funk soul brotha,


'maia'

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