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I was reading an article written by former American VP Henry Wallace which was posted by oldStatesman over at CFC which was originally written for the New York Times in April of 1944. For those of you who don't know Henry Wallace was FDR's Vice PResident for his first 3 terms but was replaced by Truman in the fourth term. It is a bit dated but it is interesting to see how the WW2 generation defined facism and what actions they believed made a person a facist.

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Editor's Note | This story ran in the New York Times in 1944. Draw your own conclusions and compare Henry Wallace's analysis to the situation we find ourselves in today.
The Danger of American Fascism
By Henry A. Wallace
The New York Times
From Henry A. Wallace, Democracy Reborn (New York, 1944), edited by Russell Lord, p. 259.

Sunday 09 April 1944

On returning from my trip to the West in February, I received a request from The New York Times to write a piece answering the following questions:

What is a fascist?
How many fascists have we?
How dangerous are they?

A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends. The supreme god of a fascist, to which his ends are directed, may be money or power; may be a race or a class; may be a military, clique or an economic group; or may be a culture, religion, or a political party.

The perfect type of fascist throughout recent centuries has been the Prussian Junker, who developed such hatred for other races and such allegiance to a military clique as to make him willing at all times to engage in any degree of deceit and violence necessary to place his culture and race astride the world. In every big nation of the world are at least a few people who have the fascist temperament. Every Jew-baiter, every Catholic hater, is a fascist at heart. The hoodlums who have been desecrating churches, cathedrals and synagogues in some of our larger cities are ripe material for fascist leadership.

The obvious types of American fascists are dealt with on the air and in the press. These demagogues and stooges are fronts for others. Dangerous as these people may be, they are not so significant as thousands of other people who have never been mentioned. The really dangerous American fascists are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.

If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are doing this even in those cases where they hope to have profitable connections with German chemical firms after the war ends. They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead.

American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery.

The European brand of fascism will probably present its most serious postwar threat to us via Latin America. The effect of the war has been to raise the cost of living in most Latin American countries much faster than the wages of labor. The fascists in most Latin American countries tell the people that the reason their wages will not buy as much in the way of goods is because of Yankee imperialism. The fascists in Latin America learn to speak and act like natives. Our chemical and other manufacturing concerns are all too often ready to let the Germans have Latin American markets, provided the American companies can work out an arrangement which will enable them to charge high prices to the consumer inside the United States. Following this war, technology will have reached such a point that it will be possible for Germans, using South America as a base, to cause us much more difficulty in World War III than they did in World War II. The military and landowning cliques in many South American countries will find it attractive financially to work with German fascist concerns as well as expedient from the standpoint of temporary power politics.

Fascism is a worldwide disease. Its greatest threat to the United States will come after the war, either via Latin America or within the United States itself.

Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion.
American fascists of this stamp were clandestinely aligned with their German counterparts before the war, and are even now preparing to resume where they left off, after "the present unpleasantness" ceases:

The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power. It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice. It may be shocking to some people in this country to realize that, without meaning to do so, they hold views in common with Hitler when they preach discrimination against other religious, racial or economic groups. Likewise, many people whose patriotism is their proudest boast play Hitler's game by retailing distrust of our Allies and by giving currency to snide suspicions without foundation in fact.

The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. They use every opportunity to impugn democracy. They use isolationism as a slogan to conceal their own selfish imperialism. They cultivate hate and distrust of both Britain and Russia. They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.

Several leaders of industry in this country who have gained a new vision of the meaning of opportunity through co-operation with government have warned the public openly that there are some selfish groups in industry who are willing to jeopardize the structure of American liberty to gain some temporary advantage. We all know the part that the cartels played in bringing Hitler to power, and the rule the giant German trusts have played in Nazi conquests. Monopolists who fear competition and who distrust democracy because it stands for equal opportunity would like to secure their position against small and energetic enterprise. In an effort to eliminate the possibility of any rival growing up, some monopolists would sacrifice democracy itself.[b]

It has been claimed at times that our modern age of technology facilitates dictatorship. [b]What we must understand is that the industries, processes, and inventions created by modern science can be used either to subjugate or liberate. The choice is up to us. The myth of fascist efficiency has deluded many people.
It was Mussolini's vaunted claim that he "made the trains run on time." In the end, however, he brought to the Italian people impoverishment and defeat. It was Hitler's claim that he eliminated all unemployment in Germany. Neither is there unemployment in a prison camp.

Democracy to crush fascism internally must demonstrate its capacity to "make the trains run on time." It must develop the ability to keep people fully employed and at the same time balance the budget. It must put human beings first and dollars second. It must appeal to reason and decency and not to violence and deceit. We must not tolerate oppressive government or industrial oligarchy in the form of monopolies and cartels. As long as scientific research and inventive ingenuity outran our ability to devise social mechanisms to raise the living standards of the people, we may expect the liberal potential of the United States to increase. If this liberal potential is properly channeled, we may expect the area of freedom of the United States to increase. The problem is to spend up our rate of social invention in the service of the welfare of all the people.

The worldwide, agelong struggle between fascism and democracy will not stop when the fighting ends in Germany and Japan. Democracy can win the peace only if it does two things:

Speeds up the rate of political and economic inventions so that both production and, especially, distribution can match in their power and practical effect on the daily life of the common man the immense and growing volume of scientific research, mechanical invention and management technique. Vivifies with the greatest intensity the spiritual processes which are both the foundation and the very essence of democracy.

The moral and spiritual aspects of both personal and international relationships have a practical bearing which so-called practical men deny. This dullness of vision regarding the importance of the general welfare to the individual is the measure of the failure of our schools and churches to teach the spiritual significance of genuine democracy. Until democracy in effective enthusiastic action fills the vacuum created by the power of modern inventions, we may expect the fascists to increase in power after the war both in the United States and in the world.

Fascism in the postwar inevitably will push steadily for Anglo-Saxon imperialism and eventually for war with Russia. Already American fascists are talking and writing about this conflict and using it as an excuse for their internal hatreds and intolerances toward certain races, creeds and classes.

It should also be evident that exhibitions of the native brand of fascism are not confined to any single section, class or religion. Happily, it can be said that as yet fascism has not captured a predominant place in the outlook of any American section, class or religion. It may be encountered in Wall Street, Main Street or Tobacco Road. Some even suspect that they can detect incipient traces of it along the Potomac. It is an infectious disease, and we must all be on our guard against intolerance, bigotry and the pretension of invidious distinction. But if we put our trust in the common sense of common men and "with malice toward none and charity for all" go forward on the great adventure of making political, economic and social democracy a practical reality, we shall not fail.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/082103F.shtml

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Here is a slightly more partisan but never the less thought provoking flash video.

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

It seems clear this college researcher custom wrote his 14 points so that they'd apply to Bush but there are worrying parallels. Does that mean a doomsday senerio? No, but it does mean we should strength traditional American protections which have been eroded under the current administration.

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Is this Facism some new term? Is that why we're defining it?

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protections which have been eroded under the current administration.


I knew that was coming...

The article is obsurd. Basically if you believe stalwartly in anything you are a facist. Prussian Junkers eh? So Germany was Facist for 400 years?

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I believe? No, the article was written by the VP during WW2. He was defining what America was fighting for and what it was fighting against. It's up to you to decide how current government officials stack up agaisnt the ideals people fought for in WW2.

Also the quote was:

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The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way.


Basically Wallace said that Hitler twisted the Prussian way and there are American facists who want to twist the American way.

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Henry Wallace was hardly representative of the WW2 generation. He was FDRs Veep for only one term, NOT three. John Garner was Veep for the first two terms. Wallace was dumped from the ticket in 1944 for being too leftist. He ran against Truman in 1948, on the "Progressive Party" ticket. Though he was not a Communist, he was affiliated with many elements on the left that were sympathetic to the Communists. He looked ahead to "convergence" between the US and Soviet systems.

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agelong struggle between fascism and democracy


Thats precious too.

Apparently the author is a facist for worshiping a

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a race or a class; may be a military, clique or an economic group; or may be a culture, religion, or a political party.

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He did say the Oerdin, but he also said...

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The perfect type of fascist throughout recent centuries has been the Prussian Junker


He is just bashing Germans because thats who we are fighting. He might as well have just called the Huns.

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sounds like bunch of commies wrote it.

Has some valid points though.

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True, Wallace was a progressive and he was dumped in favor of Truman for daring to such liberal things as saying segrogation was unconsititutional and that labor unions had been unfairly repressed both before the war and during the war. Southerns felt that a man who spoke out against segregation was to divisive for the VP slot and for the sake of national unity during WW2 FDR replaced Wallace with the less controversial Truman.

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Henry Wallace was hardly representative of the WW2 generation. He was FDRs Veep for only one term, NOT three. John Garner was Veep for the first two terms. Wallace was dumped from the ticket in 1944 for being too leftist. He ran against Truman in 1948, on the "Progressive Party" ticket. Though he was not a Communist, he was affiliated with many elements on the left that were sympathetic to the Communists. He looked ahead to "convergence" between the US and Soviet systems.


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2 items from wiki on the 1948 election.

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Progressive Party nomination
The Progressive Party reinvented itself in 1948 with the nomination of Henry Wallace, a former Secretary of Agriculture and Vice President under Franklin D. Roosevelt. Briefly Harry Truman's secretary of commerce, he was fired for opposing Truman's firm stand against the Soviet Union. Wallace's 1948 platform opposed the Cold War, the Marshall Plan and big business.


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As expected, Thurmond's Dixiecrat party took away much of the Democratic Party's traditional base in the "Solid South", while Wallace wooed away voters from the left wing of the Democratic Party. However, Wallace's failure to repudiate the endorsement of the Communist Party had undermined his popularity, and he wound up with just over 2.4 percent of the popular vote. The Dixiecrats held no attraction outside the South and got a slightly smaller percentage of the popular vote. Thus, despite the significant split in the Democratic base, Truman won on November 2, surprising many observers at the time. The Chicago Tribune had gone so far as to print "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN" on election night as its headline for the following day. A famous photograph shows Truman grinning and holding up a copy of that newspaper with the erroneous headline.

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Speech delivered at Progressive Party Rally, New York, N. Y., September 10, 1948. From Vital Speeches of the Day (October 1, 1948), v. 14, n. 24, p. 743.

The free South and the feudal South live side by side in the State of Alabama. In one day we received courteous receptions and held free meetings in the best American tradition in Decatur and Huntsville and Gunthersville in the great TVA area; and on the same day we could not hold meetings in Gadsden and Birmingham and Bessemer, cities which are dominated by Northern-owned steel corporations. We did not hold meetings because the police insisted on dividing Americans by the color of their skins. We did not hold meetings because the constitutional right to freely assemble and speak was denied by the police authorities of those company towns.

Here—in Alabama—in a single day, we saw the economic basis of hate and segregation.

In the steel towns it is profitable to keep labor divided.

North against South, race against race, farmer against worker—the profits of the men who own the South are multiplied by keeping the people divided.

But their days are numbered.

The good people of the South have learned their scriptures. They know the fundamental Christian doctrine of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. They know that "God hath made of one blood all the nations to dwell upon the face of the earth." They know that we are all members, one of another. Just as surely as men everywhere, they want the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth; and they are not going to be stopped any longer by those who spew hate.

It is the owners of the mines and mills, the great plantations, and newspapers who incite violence.
"OWNERS DON'T FIGHT, BUT INFLAME"


They don't personally engage in lynching either free speech or human beings, just as they don't personally engage in fighting the wars from which they profit.

But they inflame the passions of others. They have had others do their dirty work. But the ranks of new recruits for their dirty work are narrowing as more and more men and women of the South see how they have been victimized by prejudice—as they see how it has profited the few, and brought misery for themselves and their neighbors.

And the workers and farmers and independent businessmen of the South are turning from the false leadership of those who have been styled "Southern liberals"—they are turning from those who have preached the tolerance of intolerance, tolerance of segregation; tolerance of murderous Jim Crow. They are learning that such men are only slightly to the left of Hitler and Rankin.

They are learning that no man can believe in both segregation and democracy.


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There was a great PBS documentary on Wallace recently.

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He is just bashing Germans because thats who we are fighting. He might as well have just called the Huns.



A brownie for Patty Cakes, for pointing out the historical context of the article.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Agard_Wallace

That's the wikipedia entry for Henry Wallace. He had radical ideas like Free Trade with OLatin America but only if those countries enforced minimium wages and safe working conditions for workers.

One of the contributing reasons he got bumped was because conservatives claimed that Wallace's support for labor unions and better wage and working conditions some how made him a communist. It sure didn't help that he was an anti-segrogationist who pissed off southern conservatives with his calls to end Jim Crow.

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However, Wallace's failure to repudiate the endorsement of the Communist Party had undermined his popularity, and he wound up with just over 2.4 percent of the popular vote.


He didn't seek that endorsement. He only believed that they had the right to endorse him. So Truman red-baited him to stop the hemoraging from the left.

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yah, Oerdin, Im not surprised he was more overtly anti-segregation than Truman. So? Being a far leftist, he had no real chance of getting southern votes anyway (despite the pious talk about southern workers) so he nothing to lose, unlike FDR and Truman. The Communist Party was also opposed to segregation. Truman, however, actually integrated the army, while also pursuing a foreign policy that opposed Soviet expansion. Hubert Humphrey at the 1948 convention gave a speech against segregation that triggered the dixiecrat walkout - yet Humphrey supported Truman, NOT Wallace. Perhaps because Humphrey was a firm anti-communist, and a founder of the anti-communist Americans for Democratic Action.

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He didn't seek that endorsement. He only believed that they had the right to endorse him. So Truman red-baited him to stop the hemoraging from the left.



they had the right to endorse him, and he had the right to reject it. He didnt, cause they were a key part of this support.

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One of the contributing reasons he got bumped was because conservatives claimed that Wallace's support for labor unions and better wage and working conditions some how made him a communist.


He was not a communist. But given that the OP was a quote from an HW speech were he basically says that anyone whos too far to the right is a fascist, its pretty ironic to complain that people who thought he was too far left called him a communist, huh?

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Can't say anything about the US in this aspect, but yeah that Prussian Junker thing looks kinda stupid. AFAIK most serious historians today would be rather careful before constructing a continuity over centuries from Prussia to Hitler's fascism.

No doubt the Prussian militarism of the late 19th century is one important element for WWI and for the time later, including the nazi-era, but it is not only a problem of the "Prussian Junker". One can't explain Hitler's rise only from Prussian traditions.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Agard_Wallace

That's the wikipedia entry for Henry Wallace. He had radical ideas like Free Trade with OLatin America but only if those countries enforced minimium wages and safe working conditions for workers.

One of the contributing reasons he got bumped was because conservatives claimed that Wallace's support for labor unions and better wage and working conditions some how made him a communist. It sure didn't help that he was an anti-segrogationist who pissed off southern conservatives with his calls to end Jim Crow.



From your link

"The Democratic Party bumped Wallace from its ticket in 1944, largely due to party concerns over FDR's failing health and thus the likelihood of his running-mate succeeding him, over Wallace's alleged "communist" beliefs and perceived closeness to the Soviet Union, as well as over his unorthodox New Age tendencies."

"In 1952 Wallace published Why I Was Wrong, in which he explained that his seemingly-trusting stance toward the Soviet Union and Stalin stemmed from inadequate information about Stalin's excesses and that he, too, now considered himself an anti-Communist."

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He was not a communist. But given that the OP was a quote from an HW speech were he basically says that anyone whos too far to the right is a fascist, its pretty ironic to complain that people who thought he was too far left called him a communist, huh?


I don't think he was attempting to claim everyone who was right of him was a facist but instead he was attempting to define what it meant to be a facist. What values and policies does a facist hold? And so forth.

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Oerdin - it's fascist.

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I don't think he was attempting to claim everyone who was right of him was a facist but instead he was attempting to define what it meant to be a facist. What values and policies does a facist hold? And so forth.



I didnt say everyone to the right of him. But he proposes a definition that is far wider than membership in fascists parties, or holding the antidemocratic principles that are normally considered definitional of fascism. Its a definition wide enough to bring on lots of his political enemies, and its the moral equivalent of broad definitions of communist that would include him.

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Heres Hubert Humphrey on Civil Rights at the 1948 convention.

"To those who say that we are rushing this issue of civil rights - I say to them, we are one hundred and seventy-two years late. To those who say this is an infringement on states' rights, I say this - the time has arrived in America. The time has arrived for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forth rightly into the bright sunshine of human rights. In these times of world economic, political and spiritual - above all, spiritual - crisis, we cannot and we must not turn back from the path so plainly before us. That path has already led us through many valleys of the shadows of death. Now is the time to recall those who were left on the path of American freedom. Our land is now, more than ever before, the last best hope on earth. I know that we can - know that we shall - begin here the fuller and richer realization of that hope - that promise - of a land where all men are truly free and equal."


Yet Henry Wallace found this man and his party to be too far to the right. I suppose he didnt much care for
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Nothing personal. I just think that some folks arent hip on the Truman-Wallace thing. They say in the South and the border states your politics and world view are defined by what side your ancestors took in the civil war, and in Boston its the potatoe famine, etc. Well where I grew up, when I grew up, among whom I grew up, the definitional thing was the 1948 election - were you for Truman or Wallace (the only real choices among New York Jews) Im from a dyed in the wool Truman family. Folks can feel free to read and prefer and love Henry Wallace - but to see him as representative of anything other than ONE side of a bitter fight WITHIN American liberalism, would be mistaken.

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The article is obsurd[b]. Basically if you believe stalwartly in anything you are a [b]facist. Prussian Junkers eh? So Germany was Facist for 400 years?


1. absurd
2. Fascist
3. Fascist

 
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