13-05-2005 15:26									#31
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Why?

Also Pekka, check this out

www.helsinkicollision.com

	13-05-2005 15:35									#32
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quote: Why?

I don't have the time to go into all the reasons.

	13-05-2005 15:41									#33
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So, just name a few then?

	13-05-2005 16:53									#34
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Che. I had a whole post ready to go, but it got eaten. Since I don't have time to repost it all, I'll just point out a bit and come back tonight for more.

Here's a Quick and Dirty guide to Japanese grammar.

If you just want to concentrate on spoken, check out the Pimsleur Japanese series.

Kana -- hiragana and katakana -- is pretty simple to learn by yourself. Stroke order and direction is important, so make sure whatever you use to learn it includes those.

The vowels probably won't be the problem. Westerners (of various languages) seem to have the most difficulty with tsu.

More later.

Wraith
"Doujinshi, kirai, atsui, kusai, urusai, Kazuki, baka."
-- Takasei Mizuki ("Comic Party")

	13-05-2005 19:40									#35
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Ah, baka. One word I know the meaning of. Thanks to Asuka Langley Soryu.

	14-05-2005 01:05									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I want to learn some basic Japanese

Just turn off the sound in your player, problem solved.

	14-05-2005 01:06									#37
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We can stick with Chinese.

Nimen hao, pengyoumen.

	14-05-2005 01:54									#38
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Gottverdammt. I just got out of Japanese finals for the year. I never want to see the "no yoo ni" construction ever again.

About baka, the word everyone seems to know: the kanji for it are the ones meaning horse and deer. The explanation given to me is that a baka is someone who can't tell the difference between a horse and a deer, thus, an idiot.

	14-05-2005 03:37									#39
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Awesome, awesome.. I'm lost forever now.. found some Japanese internet radios and it's all I hear from now on. Also Japanese art I already know I need some of that stuff to my place.

Thanks for the great links Tattia the Hun, laurentius, Wraith.

yeah I've seen most who recommend first learning kana, and then kanji aftewards. Seems logical, since kanji is massive while hiragana and katakana aren't.

Also I've found it interesting that the grammar is sometimes similar to ours, I mean the logic is easy to understand, for example I saw an example "My name is Randolf Ross" would be english way but Japanese way would be "Am Randolf Ross". as in I am.. but forget the I. This I mean is the logic of some things, which are easy for me to understand because it doesn't require me to learn anything.

Exciting this is!

	14-05-2005 04:57									#40
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Sorry, most important word is wakarimasen.

doo itashimasite.

	14-05-2005 04:59									#41
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doo itashimasite.
don't touch my moustache.

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quote: Originally posted by Wraith Che.

che?

	14-05-2005 05:12									#43
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Actually means "You're welcome".

	14-05-2005 05:26									#44
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--"Thanks to Asuka Langley Soryu."

Now you just need to meet Ruri-Ruri... ^_^

--"che?"

Mild Japanese curse word. I know we've gone over this one before ^_^ Nothing at all to do with the rat-bastard you named yourself after.

Anyway.

Japanese news site in English:
Japan Times
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/
Actual news site, with some interesting editorials. Watch out for links posted here to WaiWai. People here seem to latch on to those for some reason, and WaiWai is a tabloid.

Jim Breen's WWWJDIC
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html
Online Japanese dictionary.

Joyo96
http://www.joyo96.org/
Kana/Kanji charts and references.

Charles Kelly's Online Japanese Language Study Materials
http://www.manythings.org/japanese/
Just what it says.

The Kanji Site
http://www.kanjisite.com/
JLPT arranged kanji.

Wraith
"Baka! Baka! Baka! Baka! Baka! Baka! Baka!"
-- Tomo ("Azumanga Daioh")

	14-05-2005 05:27									#45
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Recently I've developed an interest in learning written Japanese.

I'm trying to learn the Kanji so that I can buy some import Japanese games and play them.

Does anyone know of a good translator that I can get for my laptop? I'm thinking there has to be a way to type in Japanese words (in Kanji, Hirgana, etc.) and have the computer spit the english translation.

	14-05-2005 06:32									#46
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Turning Japanese


The Vapors

I've got your picture of me and you
You wrote "I love you" I love you too
I sit there staring and there's nothing else to do
Oh it's in color Your hair is brown
Your eyes are hazel And soft as clouds
I often kiss you when there's no one else around

I've got your picture, I've got your picture
I'd like a million of you over myself
I asked the doctor to take your picture
So I can look at you from inside as well
You've got me turning up and turning down
And turning in and turning 'round

I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so

I've got your picture, I've got your picture
I'd like a million of them over myself
I want the doctor to take your picture
So I can look at you from inside as well
You've got me turning up and turning down
and turning in and turning 'round

I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so

No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women
No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark
Everyone around me is a total stranger
Everyone avoids me like a psyched lone-ranger
Everyone
That's why I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so

Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
(think so think so think so)
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so

Turning Japanese - 1980

	14-05-2005 07:17									#47
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Gomenee--->go-men-nay

Gomenasai

Shitsureishimashita

Sumimasen


All basically saying that your sorry...Although the 3rd one is more formal.

As for katakana, it's easier for us non-Japanese to understand but my friend said that when she looks at it, she can read it but doesn't understand what it means.

So yeah, Japanese may not be able to recognize some katakana words... She's pretty funny. I think she's from Osaka.

	14-05-2005 07:30									#48
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Pekka probably just has a thing about Japanese chicks in schoolgirl uniforms.

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	14-05-2005 08:16									#49
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Who doesn't?

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[Ted Striker]
I'd hit it.
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	14-05-2005 11:54									#51
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I'm into Japanese women who cook me dinner

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	14-05-2005 14:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Who doesn't?

Good point, that.

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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Gomenee--->go-men-nay Gomenasai Shitsureishimashita Sumimasen All basically saying that your sorry...Although the 3rd one is more formal.

****, sure is him as hit a?

Does go-men in itself mean anything?

Olen Randolph Ross.

	14-05-2005 17:58									#55
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One of my friends is a Japan freak, he has learnt to speak Japanese from pirated anime videos and often starts speaking Japanese when he's drunk. I don't know Japanese myself but I've studied several languages and I've gotten the impression that he actually has learnt to express quite a lot of things simply by watching videos.

	14-05-2005 18:01									#56
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One of my students wrote a short story for my writing class about blowing up Tokyo and teaching the Japanese a lesson. Apparrently, this is Bin Laden's responsiblity as well. I used to think she was a good student.

	14-05-2005 19:16									#57
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Tattila, yes!

JohnT, and why not? Who doesn't like Japanese girls.. Personally I don't like ones who pee on themselves and try to kill other people, but in general, sure why not. Japan needs me and I need Japan.

	14-05-2005 20:42									#58
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quote: One of my students wrote a short story for my writing class about blowing up Tokyo

	15-05-2005 05:25									#59
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Ah, almost forgot a very entertaining link:

I am a Japanese School Teacher:
http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html
Stories from a gaijin teaching English in Japan.

--"Does go-men in itself mean anything?"

Gomen is a shorter, more casual apology.
Basically, the more formal you want to be when speaking Japanese, the longer it'll take you to say something.

Wraith
"Sore wa... himitsu desu."
-- Xellos ("Slayers Next")

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Wraith: Ah, an excellent link. Yeah, I saw that a bit ago, and it's high quality stuff.

Nice quote, too. "Himitsu" is one of those random Japanese words that seems to pop up a lot, so it's easy to immediately figure out which quote that is. (Although the worst offender not in the preposition/pronoun category would have to be "tsubasa" for wings. Especially in songs; it seems like half of them have to randomly include wings whether or not it's relevant.)

While we're on the topic of random fun Japanese words, I'll have to give a vote to "Mezame" = "Awakening" as being one of the cooler sounding words. The fact that it's used as a song title for at least three great pieces of music in Japanese video games/anime has to add to it as well.