14-05-2005 13:30									#1
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After being basically through with the creation process and halfways to releasing it for public playtesting, I noticed this weird problem:

I finished the creation process to a degree where I would be able to save my *.sav file as *.scn file. Would. Every time (and by now I tried several times) I save my creation as scenario via the Cheat Menu I am able to do so - but despite the presence of the Apollo Program wonder AND the revelation of the entire map via the cheat menu every time when I load up the scenario file to start playtesting myself each civs has only its own map revealed.

Any takers?

Btw, attached is the *.sav file which I am using as buildup file.

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	14-05-2005 13:42									#2
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MGE or ToT, old chap?

	14-05-2005 13:46									#3
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Just checked this in MGE, and was a bit freaked out by the fact that the whole in-game map display was leaving crazy graphic footprints all over the place when I moved the cursor around...I fear my version of MGE is either messed up, or your save file is in a different format (perhaps the Euro version) from my own MGE game...

Now we have two problems in the one thread!

	14-05-2005 13:52									#4
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Hum ... first of all let me thank you, Master Curt.

I have MGE - but not the Euro version - at least not as far as I know.

Anyway, could it have something to do with the fact that every time I load up this *.sav file the cheat mode is already activated?

Funny thing is, in another scenario I am about to finish in the next couple of days (B&S Redux) I do not experience this here problem ...

	14-05-2005 14:04									#5
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It's odd, as the other MGE file I have been trying are OK.

I did get this graphical trouble with one sav file before...

I wonder if the saving with the cheatmode may indeed be a factor?



I am going to check my older mGE files to see if I can replicate the problem...

	14-05-2005 14:07									#6
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I have no idea how much this could help.

Anyway, I fear my Civ2 version seems to be corrupted! Alas! Move the precious scenario folders to the lifeboats, IŽll re-install Civ2

	14-05-2005 14:58									#7
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Why, oh why, it is not working even though I installed Civ 2 MGE anew?

	14-05-2005 15:55									#8
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It is always looking like this ...

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	14-05-2005 16:36									#9
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Got same results as Curt and Jim.

Problem may be that Reveal Whole Map is not checked in Scenario Parameters. Checking it seems to solve problem on my save.

	14-05-2005 17:11									#10
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Hum, gotta give that a try too ...

	14-05-2005 17:16									#11
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This is now the offical "How stupid anyone could possibly be" post.

Your idea solved the problem, thank you so much, comrade

	14-05-2005 21:46									#12
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* points and laughs at Steph *

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Just checked this in MGE, and was a bit freaked out by the fact that the whole in-game map display was leaving crazy graphic footprints all over the place when I moved the cursor around...

That sounds like a problem with transparent terrain.

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling (...) or your save file is in a different format (perhaps the Euro version) from my own MGE game...

There are no different formats. Well, there are, but that's patched vs. unpatched MGE, not US vs. Europe or anything like that. That would be a bit silly with a game designed for multiplayer, wouldn't it?

quote: Originally posted by jim panse Anyway, could it have something to do with the fact that every time I load up this *.sav file the cheat mode is already activated?

You mean, the savegame you're building your scenario with? How could it not have the cheat mode activated?

	14-05-2005 22:08									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator * points and laughs at Steph *

Oh, Jorrit, how I love your constructive criticism

Anyway, I deserved that post by you. Definitely.

It looks like this right now, I now need some hex-edit help. Anyone?

	14-05-2005 22:36									#14
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Jeez, you are indeed a man of few words! What exactly is the problem that needs the wizardry of hexediting?

I can probably have it done by tonight or tomorrow morning, your time.

	14-05-2005 22:38									#15
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Well, well, follow this here link to the preview thread to find out more!

Just scroll down to the 7th post, there youŽll find what needs to be done

And thank you in advance, Agricola!

	14-05-2005 23:16									#16
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quote: * Hex-edit alliances between Russua, the Confederates, the Allies & the Italians and the Independents (Barbs).

I find this is a bit ambigous. Do you want

a. The Barbs to have alliances with Russia, the Confederates, the Allies and the Italians?

or

b. All 5 civs allied to each other in all possible combinations?

	15-05-2005 08:32									#17
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Seeing that you're having a great Saturday night and too busy to reply, I'm assuming that you want

a. The Barbs to have alliances with Russia, the Confederates, the Allies and the Italians?

The attached hexedit.zip contains the edited .scn file "walkinhell-fixed.scn" and "checksave.sav", a test of both global warming and alliances. In the SW part of the Sahara there are 7 Barb marines facing a marine from each of the 7 civs. Use "set human player" to test whether the right civs are allied with the Barbs.

You also might want to check your naming conventions, there is no "Allied" civ and 2 "American" ones in the set human player list and elsewhere. Confusing as hell.

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	15-05-2005 16:30									#18
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Oh, this works perfectly, thank you very much, my dear sir!

Only thing I am asking now is that you seem to have edited to scenario length a little too. I intended to have it end in October 1918 - and now it ends in September 1917.

Could you change that back?

	15-05-2005 18:21									#19
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quote: Only thing I am asking now is that you seem to have edited to scenario length a little too. I intended to have it end in October 1918 - and now it ends in September 1917.

Sorry Steph, but I plead not guilty to the dastardly deed.

I just compared what I downloaded from your development thread (walkinhell.scn) to what I sent back (walkinhell-fixed.scn) and the only bytes that are changed are 50 and 51, which deal with pollution and global warming, and 1 byte for each of the 4 civs that you want allied to the Barbs.

Opening either .scn file gives the end of the scen as Sept 1917. Perhaps you could have checked that before blaming me.

Mercator's arcane tome on hexediting makes no mention of where the number of turns in a scen are stored. I'm sure that the number is stored somewhere but right now I don't have the time to look for it. You may have to use the scen editor to make a correction.

	15-05-2005 18:54									#20
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Oh well, this is weird for I set it up to end in October 1918.

Anyway, I did not want to make you my scapegoat, Agricola. If you feel that way I apologise for insulting you.

Thank you again, I will cross-check it again and then make the scenario downloadable!

	15-05-2005 19:37									#21
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Here is the download link for the scenario!

	15-05-2005 20:48									#22
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???????

What would you like me to do with it . . . . . or to it?

	15-05-2005 22:08									#23
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I just wanted you to get you the product for which you were hex-editing the file

	16-05-2005 00:41									#24
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Thank you for your consideration. I wondered if you might want that one hexedited.

	16-05-2005 23:58									#25
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Threadjacking a bit, what program do you use for hex-editing, agricola?

	17-05-2005 07:36									#26
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I have frhed, Axe 3.3 and Hex Workshop 4.23.

When I hope that I know what I'm doing, I prefer frhed (freeware), despite its somewhat awkward search function and a next to useless function for comparing two files.

Axe and Hex Workshop (30 day trial downloads plus licenses) have excellent compare functions. If I could only have one editor, I'd probably get the Axe.

	18-05-2005 06:09									#27
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quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA I have frhed, Axe 3.3 and Hex Workshop 4.23. When I hope that I know what I'm doing, I prefer frhed (freeware), despite its somewhat awkward search function and a next to useless function for comparing two files. Axe and Hex Workshop (30 day trial downloads plus licenses) have excellent compare functions. If I could only have one editor, I'd probably get the Axe.

OK, thanks a lot. I'll be sure to check all of them out.