15-05-2005 08:37									#1
	French Study: Abortion puts future births at risk of death or a disability Support Apolyton

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quote: Having an abortion almost doubles a woman's risk of giving birth dangerously early in a later pregnancy, according to research that will provoke fresh debate over the most controversial of all medical procedures. A French study of 2,837 births - the first to investigate the link between terminations and extremely premature births - found that mothers who had previously had an abortion were 1.7 times more likely to give birth to a baby at less than 28 weeks' gestation. Many babies born this early die soon after birth, and a large number who survive suffer serious disability. Peter Bowen-Simpkins: 'termination may have late complications' The research leader, Dr Caroline Moreau, an epidemiologist at the Hôpital de Bicêtre in Paris, said the results of the study, which appear in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, provided conclusive evidence of a link between induced abortion and subsequent pre-term births. Last night anti-abortion campaigners seized on the evidence to demand that all women seeking a termination be warned, routinely, that they are jeopardising the well-being of future babies. A series of earlier, smaller studies had failed to provide clear evidence of a link and so women currently opting for an abortion are not warned of the risk. Dr Moreau said: "Clearly there is a link. The results suggest that induced abortion can damage the cervix in some way that makes a premature birth more likely in subsequent pregnancies." Her study compared the medical histories of 2,219 women with babies born at less than 34 weeks with another 618 who had given birth at full term. Overall, women who had had an abortion were 40 per cent more likely to have a very pre-term delivery (less than 33 weeks) than those without such a history. The risk of an extremely premature baby - one born at less than 28 weeks - was raised even more sharply, by 70 per cent. Abortion appeared to increase the risk of most major causes of premature birth, including premature rupture of membranes, incorrect position of the foetus on the placenta and spontaneous early labour. The only common cause of premature birth not linked to abortion was high blood pressure. Mr Peter Bowen-Simpkins, a spokesman for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and a consultant obstetrician at the Sancta Maria Hospital in Swansea, said the study revealed that abortion might not be as safe as previously supposed. "This study shows that surgical termination of pregnancies may have late complications and may not be without risk," he said. About 185,000 women have abortions in Britain each year, for social or medical reasons, and last night anti-abortion campaigners seized upon the new study as evidence that the risks have been underplayed. Jack Scarisbrick, the chairman of the campaign group Life, said: ''We have been saying for years that surgical abortion inevitably increases the risk of later problems. It seems that the abortion procedure carries with it risks that women will know nothing about until they become pregnant with a 'wanted' child later on." About 80,000 babies in the UK and Ireland are born prematurely each year; 17,000 of these need intensive care. A spokesman for Marie Stopes International, which is the largest provider of abortions outside the NHS, said that women seeking terminations were not told of increased risks of premature births "because so far, they have not been established".

Now here's an excellent reason for banning Abortion. It seems this unsafe medical procedure effects more then the women making the "choice", it also effects any future children the women may have by killing them or giving them a severe disability.

At the very least, we ought to warn women about to get an abortion that someday down the road the may be condemnding a child of theirs that they will love.

	15-05-2005 08:40									#2
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more evidence against abortion on demand (like it didn't already have enough)

abortion for social reasons is just flat out wrong

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	15-05-2005 08:42									#3
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quote: abortion for social reasons is just flat out wrong

No it isn't

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	15-05-2005 09:34									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Now here's an excellent reason for banning Abortion.

It's an excellent reasons why women should choose not to have abortions, and I hope this information is given to them so they can make a fully informed decision.

But govenment should not be so large that it extends into a woman's womb.

	15-05-2005 09:55									#5
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Excellent reason to not reproduce.

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(Interesting, but there are always lots of studies around saying lots of things, and the most contrary ones get the most publicity. Best to wait and see.)

	15-05-2005 15:02									#6
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For fair comparison, shouldn't it be women who have had one baby previously versus women who have had one abortion and no babies.

quote: Her study compared the medical histories of 2,219 women with babies born at less than 34 weeks with another 618 who had given birth at full term. Overall, women who had had an abortion were 40 per cent more likely to have a very pre-term delivery (less than 33 weeks) than those without such a history.

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Doesn't really say...

	15-05-2005 15:15									#7
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It is certainly something that should be mentioned to people considering an abortion. In itself it isn't a reason to ban abortion though. It is ultimately each individual's choice.

	15-05-2005 15:22									#8
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It's a reason to get some better technologies and more care for the women doing an abortion!

You can't ban something because humanity is unable to do it properly YET!

	15-05-2005 15:56									#9
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Study has already showed that abortion is very bad for the aborted baby as well. Apparantly none of them survives abortion.

	15-05-2005 15:57									#10
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I'll never agree to an abortion, but I don't give a damn about what others do.

As far as this thread topic is concerned: THAT is a relatively small issue against abortion, since it's a mere theory about a risk. The ending of a beginning life is a fact, not a risk, and as such reason enough to choose not to do it. So I'm pro-(pro-life)-choice

	15-05-2005 16:13									#11
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Excellent reason to not reproduce. Voluntary Human Extinction

you should make a start by killing yourself.

	15-05-2005 16:24									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Now here's an excellent reason for banning Abortion. It seems this unsafe medical procedure effects more then the women making the "choice", it also effects any future children the women may have by killing them or giving them a severe disability.

Why stop there? Why not ban obesity, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, not taking enough exercise, taking too much exercise, experiencing workplace stress, experience home stress, not taking folic acid, and anything else thatmight harm the pwecious, pwecious wickle foetus?

	15-05-2005 16:46									#13
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You forgot one of the most important, it's already known that when older women have babies they have increased chance of getting all kinds of problems, clearly there should be age restriction as well.

	15-05-2005 16:59									#14
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney you should make a start by killing yourself.

	15-05-2005 17:03									#15
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This place is too full of "you have a different opinion from me, you deserve to die!"

	15-05-2005 17:07									#16
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Just pointing out the hypocricy.

	15-05-2005 17:12									#17
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SHUT UP YOU DESERVE TO DIE

	15-05-2005 17:16									#18
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No, you deserve to die, you miserable piece of garbage.

	15-05-2005 17:25									#19
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Banning abortion is wrong, it should be open for medically AND socially extreme cases.

I just personally wouldn't ever use it, that is have it done to my girl. No idea what my stance if she disagreed.

	15-05-2005 17:35									#20
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Now, that's a good reason to develop an abortion method that deals with such problems, so that abortion can become safer.

Do you people regularily call for banning useful medical procedures when side-effects are discovered, or do you call for more research in the area?

	15-05-2005 17:39									#21
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Yeah. In the 19th century medicine was a rather experimental field. Many died of medical treatment rather than disease. Should they have banned medicine?

	15-05-2005 17:47									#22
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that's a fallacious comparison, and we both know it.

	15-05-2005 17:54									#23
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no it isnt it is a completely valid point. just because it is about abortion you would say ban it because it is also a health risk. damn then start banning mobile phones and the combustion engine too.

	15-05-2005 17:59									#24
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Az, whose side are you on?

	15-05-2005 18:05									#25
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Abortion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

	15-05-2005 18:08									#26
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quote: Az, whose side are you on?

I am not on anyone's side.

I am for using morning-after pills, and in case of desease of the mother or the child, or severe social issues, allowed abortion, 2 months into the pregnancy.

	15-05-2005 18:12									#27
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That's not answering my question. I used a point that might have been exaggerated to counter the argument stated in the first post in this thread. I lined up in a row of comparisons to show how little sense the demand for a ban on abortion makes. Given your answer to my last question, you shouldn't disturb my circles, no matter how "fallacious".

Are debates ever about right or wrong?

	15-05-2005 18:13									#28
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They almost always are.

	15-05-2005 18:14									#29
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Abortion doesn't kill people. People kill people.

And what are you trying to tell us?

	15-05-2005 18:14									#30
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There's a lot this study leaves unsaid. Are we comparing women of like socio-economic backgrounds? Poor people are more likely to sponteneously abort due to lack of proper nutricion regardless, but are also more likely to seek an abortion.

How many abortions?
Are we comparing against women who've had no children or one or multiple children?
How many pregnancies since the abortion does this effect carry over?

There's not enough information provided to make a proper judgement.