15-05-2005 09:11									#1
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After ZWK, what else but DST

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	15-05-2005 09:12									#2
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And I even used the unit format that everyone here likes.

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	15-05-2005 09:15									#3
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And when will it be released? Soon. Testing is in its final stages. So get ready for ...

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	15-05-2005 12:08									#4
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Sounds more than interesting, Kobi! :

What will be the time and geography limits?

What civs will be represented?

	15-05-2005 12:47									#5
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An old master returns to show us how it is done!

There is a veritable outbust of scenarios recently, superb!

Looking forward to this one!

	15-05-2005 15:42									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Cyrion Sounds more than interesting, Kobi! : What will be the time and geography limits? What civs will be represented?

1937 jan to Aug 1945. There is no atomic bomb unit as such, if you don't achieve a negotiated peace while owning a certain number of objective cities, you automatically lose.

The Map stretches from the Eastern half of India to the Western one third of North America.

Civs are

Japan 1
Japan 2
Allied E
Allied W
China
Europeans
The rest (mainly Russia but also Mongolia, Tibet, Mexico)

plus Barbarians = warlords including Siam

	15-05-2005 15:45									#7
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling An old master returns to show us how it is done! There is a veritable outbust of scenarios recently, superb! Looking forward to this one!

Eivind said he put together the cities from your material, do you recognize them? Also I must tell you I ripped of some icons from dictator.

	15-05-2005 17:50									#8
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@Kobayashi

An updated set of the Japanese infantry you are using. Hope it comes in useful.

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	15-05-2005 18:02									#9
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Looks good! Why 2 Japanese civs though?

quote: And I even used the unit format that everyone here likes.

While that's probably true, that's not to say that I didn't like the graphics in ZWK; I thought they were great. If you had gone for hi-res in this one too, it certainly wouldn't have stopped me (or anyone else in the community for that matter I imagine) from playing it.

A bit OT, but I finally got around to playing a few of your back catalogue that I hadn't tried before. TRON was fantastic: there's nothing I liked more in this scenario than max zooming out every few turns, hitting the 'view hidden terrain' button and seeing how much more of the world had turned blue!

WON on the other hand... I really, really wanted to get into this. So many innovative concepts, it looked like a winner. I started to play and persevered for a while, but if failed to hold my interest. There was simply too much to do i.e. far too many cities to manage. The AI cargo containers seem to serve no purpose other than to block you from transporting goods via the sea, and I could find no way to kill them. Have you ever considered doing a version of this on a smaller map with less cities?

	15-05-2005 19:08									#10
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Why 2 Japanese civs though?

You get free (cost 1) resource units spawned at objective units and you have to use them to attack the second Jap cities to get supplies (cost 30) units which can be disbanded for their shields.

GRAPHICS - Photoshop doesn't work on XP so no more Hi-res.

TRON - glad you liked it.

WON - Its all about using your own ships to block the routes you use, much like in the real world where there is a cartel controlling all the shipping lanes.

Maybe if you played as one of the smaller economies, like Japan or Asia, it would be less complicated. Actually setting the cities on auto and then just focusing on bribing and conquering the cities you need is not that tedious.

Too bd nobody ever discovered the Easter Egg in WON.

	15-05-2005 21:29									#11
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The US aircraft would look better facing east and the Japanese ships facing west IMHO.

	15-05-2005 21:55									#12
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quote: Originally posted by kobayashi Eivind said he put together the cities from your material, do you recognize them? Also I must tell you I ripped of some icons from dictator.

That's them alright. But either you must have shifted the order of them or changed the city styles manually, because this doesn't seem as the ones I sent. Japan has soviet style, and soviet has jap style. How much more left btw? Do you still need my help?

	15-05-2005 22:21									#13
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The black and white striped railroads are a nice touch- exactly how the maps of the time represented them. What do the roads look like?

	15-05-2005 22:51									#14
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quote: Originally posted by fairline The US aircraft would look better facing east and the Japanese ships facing west IMHO.

facing East means facing the right, so you mean it the other way round?

	15-05-2005 22:54									#15
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I think he means from their perspective, yes.

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quote: Originally posted by Smiley The black and white striped railroads are a nice touch- exactly how the maps of the time represented them. What do the roads look like?

No railroad I'm afraid, the raidroads pictured are actually roads. I actually have a set of alternative cities which are just geometrc shapes like circles with inlaid borders, like maps of the time but none of the testers (like Eivind) liked it.

	15-05-2005 22:56									#17
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Can we see these, cities anyway?



They can't be any worse than those lame cities of mine you are using...

	15-05-2005 22:58									#18
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Also the title screen was not well received so back to the traditional style...

(cropped to fit the 800 pixel limitation of this forum)

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	15-05-2005 23:03									#19
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Its not easy to implement, so I do think they are worse than your lame cities. However, from a strategic point of view, you can see what you control much more easily.

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	15-05-2005 23:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by kobayashi facing East means facing the right, so you mean it the other way round?

Er....yes

I like the concept of the cities identifying territory held - they could be a little nicer aesthetically but you are on to something here.

	16-05-2005 02:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Er....yes I like the concept of the cities identifying territory held - they could be a little nicer aesthetically but you are on to something here.

i like the idea of a scenario with simple terrain graphics and simple icons for all units, resouces and cities, is that what you were thinking?
i am going to experiment with something,

	16-05-2005 03:08									#22
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Er....yes I like the concept of the cities identifying territory held - they could be a little nicer aesthetically but you are on to something here.

Yeah, I'd try to re-do them in perspective, so that they don't look like propped-up carboard cutouts

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Was it the Finland WW2 scen used some nice flags as border markers?

Perhaps something like that could represent cities?

A unit square gives plenty of room for detail...

	16-05-2005 03:58									#24
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It's a good idea, it's just to my eyes it clashes with the terrain graphics.

	16-05-2005 04:10									#25
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An interesting idea, maybe if the terrain contrast was lowered and blurred out, like one of those old maps from that time period, it would look good.

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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Was it the Finland WW2 scen used some nice flags as border markers? Perhaps something like that could represent cities? A unit square gives plenty of room for detail...

Sure you're not thinking of the the Norwegian campaign?

@Kobayashi:
Actually, I liked the old title better.

	16-05-2005 08:44									#27
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I'm looking forward to this one, for sure. Can't say I'm fond of the abstract cities - they clash with the realistic terrain and units. If everything was abstracted, it would be appealing though. Sort of like an Avalon-Hill flashback!

	16-05-2005 09:17									#28
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I agree that the abstract cities cannot work well when the background terain is full of detail. I've tried variations like 3D tiles but my conclusion is typical cities work the best with the rest of the map. For what its worth, I've found that when the abstract cities are all the same, it reduces the clash with the terrain so the squares and polygons will be removed for the alt cities set in the initial release version.

Erika, for a completely abstract scenario, have a look at my Battlefiled Chess Konigsburg scenario

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=49392

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	16-05-2005 12:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Er....yes

I can (and will) flip the US planes but the ships need to all face the same direction as some designs are shared.