15-05-2005 11:32									#1
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I'm talking Civ 4, not us, so zip it up.

To me, the units look massive. What I would like would be either a slider or option to make the units smaller. Right now everything looks gigantic vs the world.

Does anyone else have feelings on this subject?

	15-05-2005 11:40									#2
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I don't like it either

infact if I had it my way, mountains would be 100X bigger and units 2X smaller

	15-05-2005 17:28									#3
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Snoopy, you usally do have it your way...

	15-05-2005 20:30									#4
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Ive seen screenshots were the ratio terrain/unit size was perfect.

	16-05-2005 00:33									#5
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I personally don't see me careing much. As long as my tanks can beat the giant spearmen I'll be content.

	16-05-2005 01:12									#6
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Snoopy, check your PMs already.

	18-05-2005 00:02									#7
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why not have some units in the same multi unit be smaller/taller
than each other

	18-05-2005 02:26									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I don't like it either infact if I had it my way, mountains would be 100X bigger and units 2X smaller

	18-05-2005 02:38									#9
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The units did look a bit big, I donīt like it. It looks all wrong...

	18-05-2005 02:48									#10
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You can't really put proportion into a game like this, e.g. A battleship is significantly bigger than a marine, and a tank is alot larger than a spearman. If you did make everything in proportion, your soldiers will be so small as to be indesquitishable.... indesernabible. unrecognisable from each other.

	18-05-2005 03:55									#11
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I think that if the units were on the same scale as the resources (or at least the cows outside of St. Petersburg in the IGN screenshots) that everything would be fine.

But my guess is that they'll look fine if you zoom out enough. In all of the screens we've seen (excpet the globes) the camera seems much closer than it ever was in Civ 3. Zoomed out to views we're more used to might make the units look better.

	18-05-2005 04:38									#12
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Personally I like the unit size. Makes them easier to see, especially the detail. Now just make the terrain bigger in proportion and we have something.

	18-05-2005 05:37									#13
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It would appear like the units are such that the trees are up to their knees, and cows are about the size of their head. While it most certainly is impossible to have correct proportions, maybe making the terrain at least about twice bigger would make sense. But of course, you never know till you actually play it, whether it works out or not.

	18-05-2005 07:43									#14
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BTW, you will be able to zoom in and out, so dont cry.

	18-05-2005 07:59									#15
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That's the thing about Civ3 that really ticked me off. In Civ2 you could zoom up or down very nicely. I think that STRONGLY contributed to playability. I'm glad to see that something like this is being included in cIV.

	18-05-2005 13:06									#16
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It is senseless to complain about an aspect that no-one has even seen in-game yet!

	18-05-2005 15:12									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gen. Atkinson You can't really put proportion into a game like this, e.g. A battleship is significantly bigger than a marine, and a tank is alot larger than a spearman. If you did make everything in proportion, your soldiers will be so small as to be indesquitishable.... indesernabible. unrecognisable from each other.

Iīm not looking for absolute proportions here. Just proportionality between terrain and units.

	18-05-2005 15:13									#18
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling It is senseless to complain about an aspect that no-one has even seen in-game yet!

Itīs true I guess. But half the fun is whining about stuff you havenīt actually seen for real yet...

	18-05-2005 15:51									#19
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The unit size thing is not as bad as it looks apparently... Thanks, Sn00py

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy...creenindex.html

	18-05-2005 16:29									#20
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Make enough predictions and guesses now will allow you to say "I TOLD YOU SO!" with a reference when something you predict comes true.... even if you only got 1 out of 100 right.

	18-05-2005 16:38									#21
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There is more to life than empty sophism!

	18-05-2005 16:38									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Make enough predictions and guesses now will allow you to say "I TOLD YOU SO!" with a reference when something you predict comes true.... even if you only got 1 out of 100 right.

I said Hot Seat would be in by default when only PBEM was confirmed. There, worship me.

	18-05-2005 16:41									#23
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No.

	18-05-2005 23:19									#24
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The new screens make everything look better- even so, if the units were 50-75% of their current size, it would be perfect

Also, it doesn't matter if you scale the units down or everything else up- as long as the zoom works smoothly, then it's all the same.

	18-05-2005 23:44									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I said Hot Seat would be in by default when only PBEM was confirmed. There, worship me.

	19-05-2005 00:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I said Hot Seat would be in by default when only PBEM was confirmed. There, worship me.

All hail the mighty emperor Modo!

	19-05-2005 00:47									#27
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Back on topic, I think the unit size will be as big as it takes to make them easy to distinguish. Surely some people (like me) will have that adjusted to look better, but that will cause the map to become harder to read. I think CIV will ship with those huge-looking units because that makes the game easier to play (even though a bit uglier).


And back to the threadjack...

	19-05-2005 00:55									#28
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It seems that the zoom function zooms in on units more than terrain.

	19-05-2005 01:46									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg It seems that the zoom function zooms in on units more than terrain.

I am not sure I understand you. It looks to me like the closer zoom makes the terrain bigger, while leaving the units almost unchanged. Is that what you meant?

That fact is in line with the whole visibility issue. Units need to appear bigger if you are zoomed out, so that you can find them easier. They can be made relatively smaller when you zoom in, because then you only see a few tiles, and it is easy to spot the units.

	19-05-2005 01:49									#30
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It actually appears that the 3D effect kicks in the more you zoom in. The unit becomes bigger and the background objects (mountains) seem to recede "back" a bit.

I would agree with the good doctor about this.