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Oerdin is offline Oerdin
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Wednesday, May 11, 2005
Abstinence speaker pushed religion in school, dad charges
By GAIL SCHONTZLER, Chronicle Staff Writer
Bozeman,Montana

An irate father is demanding that Bozeman High School present students with a rebuttal to what he called "extremely biased religious dogma" delivered by an assembly speaker who warned teens against the dangers of drugs, drinking and premarital sex.

Tom Wells, a Bozeman attorney and father of a ninth-grader, told the School Board on Monday night that he was appalled by the "thinly veiled ministry" and "misinformation" presented the week before by speaker Tina Marie Holewinski.

Holewinski, 27, of Hollywood, Calif., a full-time speaker with an organization called True Lies, defended her talk Tuesday as full of "hard-core facts" that could save teenagers' lives.

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Wells demanded the school give equal time to rebut the "misinformation" his son heard: that condoms lead to cancer, that birth control pills are only 20 percent effective, that sexually transmitted diseases are spread by skin contact alone, that third-trimester fetuses can be aborted, that video games lead to homicide, that human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms and that teens can achieve "second virginity" through abstinence.

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This is the type of crap that drives me up the wall. Unable to make a real case for their "abstence only education" Christian fundimentalists lie, lie, lie to teens in order to scare them into doing as they're told. Studies have shown the kids go out and have sex any way at the same rate but now they don't know a thing about safe sex, stopping pregnancy, or preventing diseases. If there is a hell then people who tell these lies should burn in it.

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One less thing for most OT'ers to worry about.

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I wonder if you could sue a school for lying to your kids.

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lets see... cancer is something that grows on you, eats at you life and your soul, draining you off all that you are worth until the day you die...

last time I didn't use a condom wifey got pregers...

kids are cancer

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"second virginity"



What the ****?

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Wells demanded the school give equal time to rebut the "misinformation" his son heard: that condoms lead to cancer, that birth control pills are only 20 percent effective, that sexually transmitted diseases are spread by skin contact alone, that third-trimester fetuses can be aborted, that video games lead to homicide, that human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms and that teens can achieve "second virginity" through abstinence.

Wow

I wasn't aware that schools were supposed to teach lies in a democratic country.

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i remember the sexual education lesson and the demonstration on how to use the condom... half of the class was giggleing (and wouldnt need that info for a loooong time ) and the other half was yawning

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What the ****?


That's a popular term among the crazed but saved types. They try to scare teens who've had sex into not having sex then they extract abstence pledges and declare the teens are once again virgins. These people are just nuts.

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Of course they might cause cancer....if he tried to eat them....

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the name of her organization yet... One could say "truth in advertising", because she is telling A BUNCH OF THEM

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Ooooh boy, I live right by this high school.

I'll keep my eye on what happens from this. Should be interesting.

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And people think that it is somehow wrong to suppress speech.

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What do you do in a society when the vast majority of what passes as public discourse is BS.

A guy (one of us actually) just wrote a book about this. He was on 60 Minutes last night.

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Er, I thought third-trimester fetuses could in fact be aborted in the US, as RvW theoretically forbids 3T abortions but gives the mother the option of aborting at any time for her health, including her "mental health." Not trying to threadjack, but that one snippet of hers in fact appears to be accurate. The rest, of course, is patently nonsense...

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Holy ****ing ****.

I mean, goddamn.

It's **** like this that plays no small part in the teen pregnancies I see fairly routinely.

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It's **** like this that plays no small part in the teen pregnancies I see fairly routinely.

Do you get to talk to the pregnant teens? What are the main reasons why they became pregnant?

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I can't see how this news is 'new'. We've all heard this crap before. Can't these organisations be sued for propagating such lies ... ?

If there isn't, such a law should be made imo

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Of course they might cause cancer....if he tried to eat them....


...after using it.

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It's **** like this that plays no small part in the teen pregnancies I see fairly routinely.


Actually, I'm relatively sure it plays little to no role in almost all the teen pregnancies you see...

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Of course, you're right Drake.

How on Earth would misinformation about birth control play into teen pregnancies?

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...after using it.


Semen is high in protein... good for muscle building

.................

Seriously though... I can't believe this. I went to a Catholic elementary school and I remember being taught there at the age of 11 about all the different kinds of contraception there were and why it is important to use them if you don't want to get STDs or pregnant. At a bloody catholic school too! And these kids are getting taught this hogswash at a High School. Hopefully they know better from watching TV...

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this sort of thing is why i've poked another hole in my head.

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It's **** like this that plays no small part in the teen pregnancies I see fairly routinely.


Actually, I'm relatively sure it plays little to no role in almost all the teen pregnancies you see...


Science says you are wrong. Religious extremists who block scientific sex education and who spread lies to create disinformation seem to be a big part of teen pregnancy and the spread of STDs. Proper education about safe sex and the spread of STDs would encourage safe sex and lower the rate of both STDs and teen pregnancy. This has been shown in study after study but still some people doubt the common sense approach for some reason.

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lets see... cancer is something that grows on you, eats at you life and your soul, draining you off all that you are worth until the day you die...

last time I didn't use a condom wifey got pregers...

kids are cancer



Bluidy brilliant!!!!

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this sort of thing is why i've poked another hole in my head.


Well, good thing you didn't use a condom to poke the hole because you might have caught cancer.

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A guy (one of us actually) just wrote a book about this.


A Polytubbie?

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I mean sure, people can believe what they want but they're not virgins anymore in any single way

I saw this docu about some teens making these promises that they wouldn't have sex before getting married. Ok. Sounds like a nice thing, except that it meant that they had had oral sex, anal sex, etc. But since the girl is a virgin, technically, and the boy hasn't taken the technical virginity, they'd still be virgins? BUhahahahahaahahhaaheaheehaehhe Freaking idiots!

Then there was this dude who would speak to these teens all the time so they would keep their promise better, and they always ask how far can they go, and he said the rule is what you wouldn't do in front of your parents, you shouldn't do with your partner either. wtf?? What kind of a sick dude is this anyway..

OK I have no problem with boys and girls who make these promises etc, not at all. I think it's good to have sex rather later than too soon.

And then there was this couple getting married, young as hell. They have never seen each other naked. They say they get urges so they can't do much together to begin with. They have rules.. they always keeps the lights on, and they don't just sit and watch television, because there might be kissing and all that stuff going on, so they would be lured into that and satan would make them lose their virginity. WTF???

Anyway... good luck with the condom causes cancer. Idiots like these should be jailed.

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abstinence is probably going to make things much worse.... the more you consciously try to not do something, the more you're thinking about doing it... I say.
Example... when I have consciously tried to quit smoking it has only made me think about smoking more... yet if I'm just keeping myself busy with daily tasks I find that often I can go days with only one or two cigarettes, if any.
One of the problems that could arise for these people is the tension between their personal resolve to abstain and the almost ubiquitous sexualization of things as mundane as shaving equipment within the media.
I think personally the oversaturation of sex has only made me more tired of it. I went through a stage of not having a girlfriend and wanting sex all the time, but now I have one all I can think about is just getting on with my personal studies and work. There should be a foundation that pairs abstainers up with complete nymphomaniacs... they'll soon tire of sex naturally out of complete exhaustion and oversaturation.... like the kid whose been forced to chainsmoke a carton of cigarettes by his parents who caught him smoking.
The theory could backfire... but the current way of doing things in the US seems to be infinitely more idiotic.

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Quitting smoking was easy. Quiting sex would be damn near impossible and totally undesirable.

 
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