18-05-2005 01:57									#61
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Get the medic in question to look at your liver too.

I've been thinking about that ever since you posted in my thread a few days ago (yeah, I have no life)

	18-05-2005 02:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 Aspergers is not a disease. It is a way of life. The only way that it is even a "disorder" in the remote sense is because the majority of society is more social and different from us; thus, it can have disadvantages too. It's not a crutch, as some people such as idiots such as AH would say. It exists, period. It affects my personality up to the point where I probably think completely different than most of you. To the "normal" people - do you read encyclopedias for fun? Do you have an obsessive thirst for knowledge in a particular subject for no real reason at all? Do you not understand what the PRH other people are talking about, or can't even begin to comprehend what they are feeling? Don't understand social skills, feel incredibly stressed in crowded or rowdy areas up to the point where you feel like you must run away? You don't? Well, that's how I think.

I am defined as fairly 'normal' although have had a struggle with depression for a long period of my life. I have no problem comprehending and understanding other people, I am socially adept and naturally so. Crowded areas can make me very anxious though - depends on where though and the kind of people there. A nightclub can be a nightmare, however if the music is good I am fine. Crowded city centres are variable. Some places really rattle me (Hull or Leeds for example) whereas others (York or London for example) do not.

I am also aware my mind does not work on the same wavelength as everyone elses. Whereas social skills are pretty innate to me I find romance and dating utterly terrifying to the point of aversion. I don't know why, it should follow on quite logically from the dating side of things. But it is that acute self-consciousness and anxiety that kick in. But yeah, when I was a kid I read encyclopaedia and textbooks - still very much what I am like now - I deal in facts, in empirical observations - I really don't have time for the 'less tangible', mysticism and theism, and consider them to be a complete waste of time and resources.

And I can become fascinated with some silly things which shouldn't be remotely fascinated. I am a compulsive map reader - they have fascinated me since I was a child. It's given me the mind I have today...I see a lot of those traits in myself and definitely in the childhood me - if I'd have been 10 years younger I'd have probably been diagnosed as being Asperger's. But somehow I managed to sort things out and I am not sure how.

	18-05-2005 02:20									#63
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Are all goth kids Aspies?

Woe is me, alas my death hath betrayed me
Such sorrow!
My mom is a beitch...

	18-05-2005 02:23									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I am defined as fairly 'normal' although have had a struggle with depression for a long period of my life. I have no problem comprehending and understanding other people, I am socially adept and naturally so. Crowded areas can make me very anxious though - depends on where though and the kind of people there. A nightclub can be a nightmare, however if the music is good I am fine. Crowded city centres are variable. Some places really rattle me (Hull or Leeds for example) whereas others (York or London for example) do not. I am also aware my mind does not work on the same wavelength as everyone elses. Whereas social skills are pretty innate to me I find romance and dating utterly terrifying to the point of aversion. I don't know why, it should follow on quite logically from the dating side of things. But it is that acute self-consciousness and anxiety that kick in. But yeah, when I was a kid I read encyclopaedia and textbooks - still very much what I am like now - I deal in facts, in empirical observations - I really don't have time for the 'less tangible', mysticism and theism, and consider them to be a complete waste of time and resources. And I can become fascinated with some silly things which shouldn't be remotely fascinated. I am a compulsive map reader - they have fascinated me since I was a child. It's given me the mind I have today...I see a lot of those traits in myself and definitely in the childhood me - if I'd have been 10 years younger I'd have probably been diagnosed as being Asperger's. But somehow I managed to sort things out and I am not sure how.

I love maps - but i think thats more related to learning style visual spatial as opposed to auditory sequential. (Visual Spatial Learner = VSL, if you wanted yet ANOTHER acronym, this time for something thats not a disorder )

	18-05-2005 02:27									#65
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I'm a VSL to the dot. Meant I was very good at sciences because I could just visualise the whole lot - and a very strong spot for chemistry - on top of a memory like a sponge. But I do get fascinations with small things, small concepts and systems which I've never really thought about before. I am not saying I have any disorder but I have traits which do. I suppose, to some extent, everyone does.

But as Bill has said, it is just a different way of functioning, of thinking. And society is inable to accept such people...

	18-05-2005 02:36									#66
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No disorder?

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I'm a map reader too

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Behold the darkened rose's
sweet, sweet smell
Drawn by the hopelessness of life's
sweet, sweet bitterness
why do hate me mom?



I'm getting pretty good at this goth poetry thing...

	18-05-2005 02:46									#69
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Japher, you inspired me...

Oh how I long for
death's sweet kiss
To finally free me
from this waking prison cell
This life you gave is rotten,
as rotten as your (crude name for part of female anatomy to prove I'm a real hardcore mature emo who defies society)

I reckon poly should start a collective livejournal...

	18-05-2005 03:17									#70
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My cousin had "suicide" tattooed on her upper arm when she was 14. she's now saving the money to remove it. the tattoo, not the upper arm.

	18-05-2005 03:33									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I'm a VSL to the dot. Meant I was very good at sciences because I could just visualise the whole lot

	18-05-2005 03:53									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison just a different way of functioning, of thinking

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I can quote myself without any text too!

	18-05-2005 04:03									#74
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The Wickipedia article contains an argument that people with Asperger's basically have an extremely male brain, with little ability at emphatizing and a lot of ability and systematizing.

I don't like the word "disorder" very much either. Also didn't consider autism to be an illness in the past. (btw, as I've read it there's still debate whether Asperger's is a form of autism)

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In which case Asperger's wouldn't really been an issue of "having it" or "not having it", I guess, just depends on to what degree your brain is "male".

	18-05-2005 07:25									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Odin As a person with Aspergers and ADHD I find this offensive. I do think medication is overprescribed to the milder forms of ADHD and Aspergers, but they are legitmite disorders. It is because of some people blaming every mental problen on bad parents/bad upbringing (which is totally incorect, I had quite good parents) that I cringe when people refuse to accept that there are genentic influences behavior.

All you really need is a swift application of righteous pain from a loving parent with the objective of making you realise that the world doesn't revolve around you and suddenly you would forget all about your syndromes. The symptoms would just disappear. Quite apart from anything else because your arse would be hurting too much.

As I like to tell my kids when they whine or throw tantrums, "Would you like me to give you something to cry about?" Usually the whining miraculously stops immediately.

People are far too focussed on themselves and their problems these days. That's all it is in most cases, an overweening selfishness. That's my opinion.

Of course if the tried and true parenting methods don't work then of course you take a different approach. I would take the kid to see a shrink if there were signs of abnormal reactions to discipline, pressure situations, stress etc. any caring parent would. But we need to know its real first.

	18-05-2005 07:32									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse People are far too focussed on themselves and their problems these days. That's all it is in most cases, an overweening selfishness. That's my opinion.

This can be applied to teen angst and to whimsical children.

However, I don't see what it has to do with people who have socialization patterns and knowledge-aquisition patterns that are completely different from the norm. I'd actually think that many Aspergers don't even complain about it. What would "whacking them hard" bring?

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maybe they'd enjoy it

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I hope AH doesn't have any kids because he'll be in jail for child abuse.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse People are far too focussed on themselves and their problems these days. That's all it is in most cases, an overweening selfishness. That's my opinion.

Ted Striker

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Yeah, ted, we all know you're too focused on yourself.

	18-05-2005 08:58									#83
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But seriously, folks....


This is one reason I am such a big advocate of community service. So you had a bad day. You got into a stupid argument over something at work. Life goes on.


But then you go do your service work, and somebody comes in curled up in a ball (after the hysterics and physical shock exhaust them ) because their Mother and Father just got hit by a truck and are dead.

Those people have real problems.

Puts it in the proper perspective. Makes you feel like a real
ass.

I guess that is an example of the self-serving aspect of community work. But it's there, and a valuable lesson on life and what really matters.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin Yeah, ted, we all know you're too focused on yourself.

	18-05-2005 10:11									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse All you really need is a swift application of righteous pain from a loving parent with the objective of making you realise that the world doesn't revolve around you and suddenly you would forget all about your syndromes.

Your opinions are idiotic and indefensible. I am dating someone with Asperger's. It is the closest thing to an alien psychology I have encountered. It has nothing to do with tantrums, or scenery-chewing, or any other crap. People with Asperger's do not draw attention to themselves, but their way of life is very hard to puzzle out or understand.

quote: As I like to tell my kids when they whine or throw tantrums, "Would you like me to give you something to cry about?" Usually the whining miraculously stops immediately.

Your kids do not represent all that there is to know about humanity.

	18-05-2005 10:17									#86
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oh yeah thanks - I forgot to mention you cannot hit your girlfriend - you're just going to have to put up with it or get a new girlfriend

Carry on.

	18-05-2005 13:12									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 To the "normal" people - do you read encyclopedias for fun? Do you have an obsessive thirst for knowledge in a particular subject for no real reason at all?

Yes.

quote: Originally posted by Japher Are all goth kids Aspies?

No. Unless being a moody old sod is a "syndrome", I'm ludicrously well-balanced.

	18-05-2005 13:51									#88
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The other thing that pisses me off about these syndromes is there is a whole industry of people that indulge this BS and make a living off it. From social workers to teachers and psychologists they all facilitate this crap. They all tell people its okay to be an emotional childish midget.

Let me give you a tip - don't buy into this victim psychosis - stop feeling sorry for yourself, stand up, deal with your problems, get on with your life.

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They say I probably could be diagnosed as having Asperger's; I'll have the tests taken in September. On the one hand I think I show most of the symptoms needed for a diagnosis (social ineptness , exceptional linguistic development, motoric problems as a child) but on the other hand I'm not really convinced that it is meaningful to attach that kind of a label to someone's personality, especially as nobody apparently knows what causes Asperger's and what kind of symptoms exactly should be classed as Asperger's symptoms. One could imagine that different factors could lead different people to show Asperger's symptoms and to be diagnosed as being Aspergian. So Asperger's is, I think, to a high degree, a social construct. There's a big Asperger's boom here in Finland right now and a lot of people are being diagnosed. People speculate a lot about which influential historical figures could have had Asperger's (Newton, Feynman, Hesse...) and the whole thing has the feeling of being a fashion phenomenon.

	18-05-2005 18:04									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse ....deal with your problems...

Wasn't your point that such people don't have a problem at all?