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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Wow Boris the fact that the word plays so prominant a role in his vocabulary speaks so well for the man doncha think. Regardless of actual context. |
"Regardless of context?" Bullshit. Context is critical here. Why not cite us the entire quote in context and then we'll see if there was racist intent behind the usage.
Byrd said a stupid thing that was thoughtless, but it wasn't racist in its intent--only a moron could think it was.
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Applying it to whitey gets him his pass, that and the fact that he is a Dem. Nevermind the fact he was the principle filibusterer of the civil rights act. Ohh but I forgot times change and people change right? |
Yep, they do. Byrd's modern record on civil rights legislation and issues is very good. Why is it that Republicans turn a blind eye to unrepentant racists like Helms, but someone like Byrd who has recanted his past, both in word and deed, is held to a different standard? Oh, right--he's a Democrat, so...
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But apparaently times and people don't change when it comes to these particular dixiecrats. |
Actions are what count. Racist southern Dems jumped to the Republicans because they were enraged over their own party's support of civil rights. Ignoring this fact is pretty disingenuous.
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Who gets the A in disingenuity? Why it would appear to be you B. |
 Hardly. If you think so, I don't think you know what the word even means. But your own post was rife with it. 
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Ogie Oglethorpe
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Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:20
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Actions are what count. Racist southern Dems jumped to the Republicans because they were enraged over their own party's support of civil rights. Ignoring this fact is pretty disingenuous.
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No you twittering imbecile. Southern Dems revolted againsts Northern Dems for being strong armed into a situation they did not want.
That being said they did eventually change thanks to of all people that evil Nixon who masterminded the SOuthern Strategy.
Please continue with your cannard that only the likes of Byrd can change tho'. Truly a gem of a dem who has seen the best means to keep the black man in thrall is to keep him behodlen to the Dem party. Truly an enlightened slavemaster.
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Why Richard Nixon Deserves to Be Remembered Along with Brown
By Joseph J. Sabia
Mr. Sabia is a Ph.D. candidate in economics at Cornell University.
In recent weeks Americans gathered to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Brown decision, which overturned the “separate, but equal” doctrine and ordered the desegregation of public schools “with all deliberate speed.” However, many Southern schools dragged their feet on integration, with districts steadfastly refusing to obey the court order. When federal bureaucrats tried to intervene to force desegregation, tensions grew. Summing up the situation, Senator Richard Russell, D-GA, stated in 1970, “The people of (the South) are more worked up over this problem than anything I’ve seen in all my years in politics.” Enter Richard Nixon: racial healer.
In the fall of 1968, 68 percent of black children in the South were attending all-black schools. By 1974, that number had fallen to 8 percent. This extraordinary accomplishment was achieved through the shrewd political skills and raw courage of President Nixon, Secretary of Labor George Schultz, and Attorney General John Mitchell.
In his book With Nixon, speechwriter Ray Price outlined Nixon’s school desegregation goals:
Nixon’s aim was to use the minimum coercion necessary to achieve the essential national goal, to encourage local initiative, to respect diversity, and, to the extent possible, to treat the entire nation equally – blacks equally with whites, the South equally with the North.
Vice President Spiro Agnew was chosen to chair a special Cabinet Committee on Education, the purpose of which was to find the best course of action to peacefully desegregate Southern schools in accordance with a 1969 court order. This Cabinet committee voted to create several state advisory panels, which were staffed with a diverse cross-section of leaders from each Southern state. These committees included white segregationists, black leaders, and other government officials.
Initially, there was little reason to believe that these state advisory committees would accomplish much. But Nixon pressed on. On June 24, 1970, the president met with the 15-member Mississippi State Advisory Committee in the White House. As Nixon reported in his memoirs, one of the black committee members expressed his optimism:
The day before yesterday I was in jail for going to the wrong beach. Today, Mr. President, I am meeting you. If that’s possible anything can happen.
And it did. In an incredible gesture of good faith, Mississippi Manufacturers Association president Warren Wood and Biloxi NAACP president Dr. Gilbert Mason agreed to serve as co-chairman of the Mississippi committee. According to Price, Mason christened his new relationship with Wood by saying:
If you and I can’t do this, nobody else in the state of Mississippi can. We’re probably the only black and white men in the state who can get together on something like this.
Nixon met personally with seven state advisory committees, expressing his belief that they could work together to peacefully solve one of the great crises of our time:
With each of (the committees) I stressed the same points. First, I condemned the hypocrisy in much of the North about the segregation problem. I affirmed my belief that the South should be treated with understanding and patience, but I also stressed the need to solve the problem through peaceful compliance. Second, I emphasized my commitment to the principle of local leadership to solve local problems.
During the 1960s, many liberals self-righteously screamed about racism, demanding that the federal government coerce Southerners into racial integration. The result of their heavy-handed tactics was more racial antagonism.
The president tried a different approach – cooperation. Thanks to Nixon’s strong leadership, Shultz’s masterful negotiating skills and Mitchell’s ability to keep overzealous Justice Department officials in check, the state advisory committees were an overwhelming success.
In a 1970 memo, presidential counselor Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote, “There has been more change in the structure of American public school education in the last month than in the past 100 years.” And, like going to China, only Nixon could have done it.
While much is made over his “Southern strategy” in 1968, few understand that the Southern strategy brought the South back into the nation’s body politic by appealing to sentiments that united all Americans: patriotism, duty, and cooperation. Nixon refused to condescend to Southerners. He treated them as Americans, equal in every way to Northerners. And because Nixon took that course, he was able to achieve one of the greatest civil rights triumphs of the twenty-first century: the peaceful desegregation of Southern schools.
Nixon gets almost no credit for his civil rights efforts. Thanks to the liberal press, most Americans think that Nixon’s civil rights record consists of him making a few racist statements in the Oval Office. Given the historical record, this is a tragedy.
In the Brown celebrations, virtually no mentions of the former president were made. Nixon’s civil rights triumphs have been flushed down the memory hole. Moynihan summed it up in a December 1970 speech, transcribed by Price:
Since [Nixon assumed office]...the great symbol of racial subjugation, the dual school system of the South, virtually intact two years ago, has quietly and finally been dismantled. All in all, a record of good fortune and much genuine achievement. And yet how little the administration seems to be credited with what it has achieved.
If we are to honor the Supreme Court for its decision in Brown, we should also honor Richard Nixon for peacefully carrying out its historic judgment. |
or maybe someof Nixon's accomplishments
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Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand:
* raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent;
* doubled the budget for black colleges;
* appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ;
* adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities;
* invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent;
* raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, "It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South."
The charge that we built our Republican coalition on race is a lie. Nixon routed the left because it had shown itself incompetent to win or end a war into which it had plunged the United States and too befuddled or cowardly to denounce the rioters burning our cities or the brats rampaging on our campuses. |
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Master Zen
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Jan 2003
time: 23:20
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Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.
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"Strong worth ethic" my ass, the black steretype is more like "slave worker who works at the crack of a whip" than that. Still it is a very common saying, and honestly does not imply racism since at least in Mexico the only time there have been a significant number of blacks in the country was during the colonial era and yes, they were slaves (interestingly enough they ended up assimilating entirely with the indian population).
Knowing how PC the world is these days, Fox should've just shut up and not said that comment. Still, leave it to the media to blow up whatever someone (*tsk* tsk* Jews) even remotely implies racism or something similar. What Fox probably meant to say was that blacks, which have traditionally been the major and most exploited minority in the US now are a bit up the economic ladder and don't do the jobs that Mexicans would do.
So no, it's not really a racist comment and Jesse Jackson can stick a piñata up his ass for all I care.
Our racism is mostly directed at indians. Calling someone an "indio" is an insult. Likewise calling someone "prieto" (a despective way of saying dark brown skin like indians have) is also rather insultish.
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mrmitchell
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Are you including Clinton's welfare reform package in your list of Reagan-Bush anti-African American boogeymen? |
What, now you're saying a welfare change is a minority rights change?
Are you implying blacks are the only ones on welfare?
RACIST
You are wrong. 39% of welfare recipients are white and 37% of them are black.
"But blacks only compose 12% of the population!"
RACIST
There is a poverty rate of 33% amongst blacks, they still suffer the injustices of our awful past in some ways. And we should expect to find the poor on welfare lists, shouldn't we?
(Whites "only" have a 10% poverty rate. Both rates are too high.)
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:20
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Quick, name the black members of Congress in the GOP. Compare that to the number of black Democrats in congress. |
It's already been pointed out that the vast majority of blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, so it's only logical that the Democrats would lead in the number of elected black officials. In terms of appointed officials however, the Republicans have given blacks (and Hispanics, for that matter) better access to important posts.
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Why is it that Republicans turn a blind eye to unrepentant racists like Helms, but someone like Byrd who has recanted his past, both in word and deed, is held to a different standard? Oh, right--he's a Democrat, so... |
I hate both Byrd and Helms, as all decent people should. I'm certainly not going to defend Helms; that would be as offensive and stupid as apolgizing for Byrd's remarks about "white niggers"...
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
It's already been pointed out that the vast majority of blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, so it's only logical that the Democrats would lead in the number of elected black officials. |
Are you suggesting only predominantly black areas vote for black candidates? Tell that to Obama.
Besides, as I pointed out in the Watts case, the GOP hasn't exactly been accomodating of blacks in their ranks. Blacks in the Democratic caucus enjoy some of the most senior positions.
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In terms of appointed officials however, the Republicans have given blacks (and Hispanics, for that matter) better access to important posts. |
This is simply untrue. To this day, the Clinton administration has the record for appointees of blacks (15 cabinet heads and 485 sub-cabinet positions), as well as, to this day, the most Hispanic judicial appointees ever.
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I hate both Byrd and Helms, as all decent people should. |
Then hopefully you can see how stupid it was to make a statement like you did about the Democrats being the "party of Byrd."
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I'm certainly not going to defend Helms; that would be as offensive and stupid as apolgizing for Byrd's remarks about "white niggers"... |
I'm all for calling Byrd on his real racist past, when it was warranted. But harping on the "white niggers" comment as being anything other than a stupid statement is not only disingenuous, it cheapens the debate about racism. I asked you before: go ahead and cite the whole context of the comment. It's patently clear to anyone with a brain that he was, in a completely inept and boneheaded way, making a statement against racism.
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:20
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Are you suggesting only predominantly black areas vote for black candidates? |
No, I'm saying that the party that most black people affiliate themselves with will obviously have more elected black representatives. This isn't rocket science...
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This is simply untrue. To this day, the Clinton administration has the record for appointees of blacks (15 cabinet heads and 485 sub-cabinet positions), as well as, to this day, the most Hispanic judicial appointees ever. |
Please note that I said "important posts". Giving appointed minorities real responsibility shows the Bush Administration isn't just engaging in tokenism.
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Then hopefully you can see how stupid it was to make a statement like you did about the Democrats being the "party of Byrd." |
It's not any stupider than labelling the Republicans the "party of racism." Excuse me for fighting fire with fire.
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But harping on the "white niggers" comment as being anything other than a stupid statement is not only disingenuous, it cheapens the debate about racism. I asked you before: go ahead and cite the whole context of the comment. It's patently clear to anyone with a brain that he was, in a completely inept and boneheaded way, making a statement against racism. |
I never got that impression. Seemed like he was using "nigger" as a negative term, which is repugnant even if the targets of the slur were white.
At any rate, I doubt you would be so forgiving if an ex-Klansmen who happened to be a Republican used the word "nigger" on national TV.
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