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FOX says Mexicans in the US do the work blacks don't want....... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

No, not that Fox......

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Mexico's Fox Apologizes for Black Comment By TRACI CARL, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 37 minutes ago

MEXICO CITY - President Vicente Fox reversed course Monday and apologized for saying that Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't.

Despite growing criticism that included a stern U.S. response, Fox had repeatedly refused to back away from the comments he made Friday, saying his remark had been misinterpreted.

But in telephone conversations with the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton, the president said he "regretted" the statement.

"The president regretted any hurt feelings his statements may have caused," the Foreign Relations Department said in a press statement. "He expressed the great respect he and his administration has for the African-American community in the United States."

Jackson told Fox that he was sure the president had no racist intent, and suggested the two meet to discuss joint strategies between blacks and immigrant groups in the United States, Aguilar said.

Fox agreed to set up a visit to Mexico by Jackson, Sharpton and a group of American black leaders.

Despite Fox's latest comment, many Mexicans — stung by a new U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants — didn't see the remark as offensive. Blackface comedy is still considered funny here and many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican — because he is illegal — takes what they pay him."

Earlier Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Fox's comments were in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the Mexico-California border, and were not meant to offend anybody.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government. "That's a very insensitive and inappropriate way to phrase this and we would hope that (the Mexicans) would clarify the remarks," Boucher said.

Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist at Washington State University, disputed Fox's assertion. She said there is intense competition for lucrative working class jobs like construction and that employers usually prefer to hire immigrants who don't know their rights.

"What Vicente Fox called a willingness to work ... translates into extreme exploitability," she said.

Fox made the comment Friday during a public appearance in Puerto Vallarta, saying: "There's no doubt that Mexican men and women — full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work — are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."

The issue reflected Fox's growing frustration with U.S. immigration policy and deteriorating relations between the two nations.

The Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting recent measures that include requiring states to verify that people who apply for a driver's license are in the country legally, making it harder for migrants to gain amnesty, and overriding environmental laws to build a barrier along the California border with Mexico.

The measures have been widely criticized in Mexico, where residents increasingly see the United States as adopting anti-migrant policies.

Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized the U.S. policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

Gilberto Rincon, president of the National Council to Prevent Discrimination, said the statement was "unfortunate." But, speaking after releasing a report on racism in Mexico, he said it reflected outdated language more than a racist attitude.

Fox has championed the rights of minorities and the disabled and has led a successful campaign to amend the constitution to make discrimination a crime.

While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of the country's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.

One afternoon television program regularly features a comedian in blackface chasing actresses in skimpy outfits, while an advertisement for a small, chocolate pastry called the "negrito" — the little black man — shows a white boy sprouting an afro as he eats the sweet. Many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.

"It was bad, but it really isn't racist," he said. "Maybe the president shouldn't have said it. But here we say things like, 'He works like a black person,' and it's normal."


So, basically, since they have always said it it's not racist?

Was there another thread on this? Couldn't find it.

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It'd be cool if Fox explained that the point he was trying to make is that America is a bigotted country which discriminates against Blacks.

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I saw this. Just no big deal.

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Newsflash, people in Latin America are racist...

I challenge people to watch a Mexican soap (as opposed to a Venezuelan or Brazilian soap) and spot the black people playing anything other than servant. Its rare.

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Why should Fox give two shits about what black people think? They ain't part of his electorate...

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Well we know they're not a part of Bush's either.

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Why should Fox give two shits about what black people think? They ain't part of his electorate...


Why, the Hispanic-black allience, of course

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Well we know they're not a part of Bush's either.


True. Blacks are blindly loyal to the Democratic party, which is why Hispanics are getting all the pandering from both sides...

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Blacks most certainly aren't blindly loyal but they do seem to hate the stink of racism that surrounds the Republican Party.

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Quick, name the last black Secretary of State the Democrats (aka The Party of Robert Byrd) appointed...

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Quick, name the last black Secretary of State the Democrats (aka The Party of Robert Byrd) appointed...


So tokenism means you aren't racist now?

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He should have said that Mexicans in the US do the work that Americans won't do. Then there would be no controversy.

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I dunno. According to Ted and his repeated referencing of various resturaunts, I have done work Mexicans do.

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Yeah, but everybody slams "Americans" in general. Fox just had the misfortune of picking a particular subset that has professional outragers on staff:

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So tokenism means you aren't racist now?


You think Secretary of State is a token position?

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No, supreme court justice NSA and secretary of state are.

Silly Drake.

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It takes a lot of tokens to change people's mind after one Trent lot getting up on TV and saying the country would have been better off if segregationists had won. That was just a couple of years ago and many blacks are going to identify that with the repugs more then Condi Rice.

Meaning while in the minds of black Americans the Democrats are always going to be the party that fought for equal civil rights while the repugs were the ones who tried to keep segregation alive.

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It takes a lot of tokens to change people's mind after one Trent lot getting up on TV and saying the country would have been better off if segregationists had won.


Why don't people change their minds about the Democrats when Robert Byrd gets on TV and talks about niggers?

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Meaning while in the minds of black Americans the Democrats are always going to be the party that fought for equal civil rights while the repugs were the ones who tried to keep segregation alive.


Democrats (including Byrd) were the ones who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, slick...

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Why don't people change their minds about the Democrats when Robert Byrd gets on TV and talks about niggers?


I imagine Byrd was seen as one bad apple in an other wise good group of people while the repugs are viewed, as a whole, to be a cartload of bad apples with the occational good one.

That's not likely to change especially since blacks see all the major Bush & Reagan "reforms" helping rich white folks and cutting services poor black folks depend upon.

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Are you including Clinton's welfare reform package in your list of Reagan-Bush anti-African American boogeymen?

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Quick, name the last black Secretary of State the Democrats (aka The Party of Robert Byrd) appointed...


Quick, name the black members of Congress in the GOP. Compare that to the number of black Democrats in congress.

Who had more minorities in his administration overall, Bush or Clinton?

"The Party of Robert Byrd" - Pathetic. So I guess the GOP is the "The Party of Jesse Helms?"

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Quick, name the black members of Congress in the GOP. Compare that to the number of black Democrats in congress.

Who had more minorities in his administration overall, Bush or Clinton?

"The Party of Robert Byrd" - Pathetic. So I guess the GOP is the "The Party of Jesse Helms?"


Yeah, its pretty sad when the only way some lackey like Drake can link the Dems. to racism is to talk about a southern senator who has been there for 40 years plus-and who gets re-elected all the time by the fine folks who also vote for Georgie boy....

Honestly, I should become a black republican- that way, I will never want a job- heck, all 20 of them are fully employed. Got's to make sure to keep up the smokes screen.

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That was JC Watts, think he resigned over the Crusader fiasco.

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That was JC Watts, think he resigned over the Crusader fiasco.


Watts didn't run again because the GOP had given pretty strong indications it didn't want him in a senior leadership position and felt he was being used as a token. A shame, since he was a conservative with quite a bit of integrity.

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Why don't people change their minds about the Democrats when Robert Byrd gets on TV and talks about niggers?


You mean when he was talking about white people? Wow, you're such a hack!

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Democrats (including Byrd) were the ones who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, slick...


And what did most of the racist Dixiecrats do in subsequent years? Hmmm, they migrated over to... *drumroll* the Republican Party! They formed the backbone of its Southern strategy, in fact.

You get an A in disingenuity, but an F in actual knowledge.

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And what did most of the racist Dixiecrats do in subsequent years? Hmmm, they migrated over to... *drumroll* the Republican Party! They formed the backbone of its Southern strategy, in fact.




It's really unfair to use facts when arguing with conservatives, Boris.

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And what did most of the racist Dixiecrats do in subsequent years?


So to recap, it was the democrats who filibustered against Civil Rights. Thanks Boris

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Democrats (including Byrd) were the ones who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, slick...


And it was Democrats who proposed it, and who passed it, and a Democratic president who signed it.....

Your point?

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You mean when he was talking about white people? Wow, you're such a hack!




Wow Boris the fact that the word plays so prominant a role in his vocabulary speaks so well for the man doncha think. Regardless of actual context. Applying it to whitey gets him his pass, that and the fact that he is a Dem. Nevermind the fact he was the principle filibusterer of the civil rights act. Ohh but I forgot times change and people change right?

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And what did most of the racist Dixiecrats do in subsequent years? Hmmm, they migrated over to... *drumroll* the Republican Party! They formed the backbone of its Southern strategy, in fact.

You get an A in disingenuity, but an F in actual knowledge.


But apparaently times and people don't change when it comes to these particular dixiecrats.

Who gets the A in disingenuity? Why it would appear to be you B.

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And it was Democrats who proposed it, and who passed it, and a Democratic president who signed it.....

Your point?


Only by having the block of republicans sign on en-masse else it would have been held up IIRC.

 
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